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The Hyperloop was never meant to be built. Elon Musk admitted it was all about fueling opposition to California’s high-speed rail project so it would get canceled.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Elon Musk admitted

I'm not saying it isn't true, but I'm not seeing any quote from him or link to an interview or anything. Just assertions from third parties of what his motives "seem" to be.

When you lie about shit like this, it undermines valid criticisms and makes anyone actually reading the original article question the trustworthiness of the source.

The Hyperloop was never meant to be built. It was all about fueling opposition to California's high-speed rail project so it would get canceled.

That is a blurb that doesn't resort to lies, and gets the same exact point across, without YOU looking like a liar.

You don't need to lie about monsters to make them look bad. Just show facts about their monstrous actions.

If you're spreading lies, regardless of intent, you're part of the problem, not the solution.

[–] affordable_grousing 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree that the original source isn’t 100% unimpeachable, but I also wouldn’t call OP’s post a “lie.” A reporter included this assertion as fact in a biography of Musk based on extensive reporting. It’s always difficult to gauge the veracity of anonymous sources, but Vance seems very confident that the Hyperloop thing is true. Whether that’s based on a conversation with Musk himself or someone close to him, we don’t really know.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The quote from that biography is "It seemed that Musk...." - Using the phrase "Musk admitted" Is quite directly a lie.

The admission was never part of the original biography, nor the source article this is linking to. It was specifically added by the tooter, and was completely unnecessary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It almost feels intentional since it seems to detail f discussion any time this is posted. I'm sure it's just incompetence though.