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An overdose of Atlanticism has put Europeans at risk (davekeating.substack.com)

submitted 6 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I found this on Reddit and I read the whole thing, I thought it was interesting.

The author argues in favour of greater European independence on defence (and less dependence on the US). The article is a year old but I think it's still relevant.

The author is apparently a journalist with France 24, a French state-owned media company, so you could say that makes him biased in favour of the French position. But I think he still makes valid points.

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[–] anon6789 12 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Thank you for the article. It really feels like the future is unpredictable right now. It feels like it's come out of nowhere, yet this has also been the endgame of a large group of people that have worked on this for decades.

As a modestly educated American, I understand it would be tone deaf to tell you what you should do in this thread, so I will just give you a first hand account of what it is like here.

1 - As an American, I no longer trust America to keep me safe. This goes doubly true as a liberal and as someone whose best friends are LGBT.

2 - The proposed Republican agenda includes dismantling our education system and rebuilding it as more ethnocentric. I can confidently state that already, probably half my fellow citizens could not point out any continental EU country, possibly besides Italy since it is on half the pizza boxes. If people here can't even point out France or Germany on a map, how much do you think they really care about you?

Treating us as anything you can rely on with any certainty right now seems insane to me. If you think we'll be anything more than someone that only bothers to call you when they want something from you but then is always too busy when you need something from them, then you are going to be in for a bad time.

If anything, the sane ones here may even need to rely on you again In the near future, depending on how bad things actually get.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

As a modestly educated American, I understand it would be tone deaf to tell you what you should do in this thread

Why the fuck would that be the case. Comes off as patronising, infantilising, "oh your minds are so feeble and gullible I cannot possibly state my opinion without influencing you unduly". Nah mate we're perfectly capable of telling you to sod off when you're spouting bollocks.

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