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Why do people on reddit seem to hate Lemmy/Mbin/other federated link aggregators?
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this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2024
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I am getting to know that lemmy.ml guys are bad, so do you all avoid subbing to lemmy.ml communities? I have bunch of their communities subbed so not sure if I should move away or not.
Some of the communities are fine, but make sure that you never EVER talk about politics in any way. And even then, why support such a place that has such a reputation? Most communities - though not all - have counterparts elsewhere. Judge for yourself, though it's nice to at least know that you have options:-).
In fairness, people outside of the instance may legit be receiving the brunt of their more extreme members coming out from the echo chamber and talking shit elsewhere. Then again, why choose to be inside that echo chamber, even if the toxicity is dialed way down?
And there are answers to that question that may depend on your circumstances: e.g. [email protected] is by far the largest Firefox community across the entire Fediverse. Also the ire of people inside Lemmy.ml is mostly directed at the primarily democratic capitalist Western society, but you may not feel impacted by such as much, as e.g. they make fun of the USA.
Only you know what will work best for you:-).
That was the first instance out there, so amany early adopter communities are hosted there. I've blocked a handful problematic users and all the communist stuff and other topics I don't agree with or care about, but by and large it's alright.
Hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml are instances I've blocked altogether.
For some reason after reading this (because I'm very new to Lemmy), your post made me feel like that squiggly thing / slime inside the box that wanted freedom, then the moment it takes a step outside, got punched back in and now is happily being inside the box, even if its cramped.
I think it was a meme too.
Yeah, but I do feel that way (after taking a look there)
Many people left lemmy.ml for that reason. Some of us even left Lemmy altogether - e.g. I'm writing this to you from PieFed, which allows blocking of all users from Lemmy.ml (Lemmy itself does not support that - its "instance blocking" only stops communities from an instance, but not users).
I block all .ml communities that pop up on my feed. Somewhere between 200-300 on my blocklist by now (not all exclusively from .ml of course, but most of them).
Why not block the entire instance in your settings?
Because that isn't an option.
It is. Go into your account settings -> blocks and at the bottom is a section for blocking instances.
I've got Lemmy.ml in there. You'll still see comments from their users and posts from users in other communities but you shouldn't see any of their communities in your feed.
It's not. I'm not using Lemmy.
Actually it is. I don't have an Mbin account but supposedly if you go to https://fedia.io/d/lemmy.ml then you should be able to accomplish it from there. It's quite hidden though, isn't it!?:-P More details in this post: https://piefed.social/post/307636.
I'd be interested to hear how it works out for you - like on PieFed if you do that, it blocks the users but not the communities, and in Lemmy it blocks communities but not users. I don't know what it will do for you, beyond blocking users - but like, is it similar to a full defederation in blocking the communities as well?
No, that just blocks direct links to said instances. So it basically does nothing.
That... makes no sense to me.
This has been discussed with the devs & admins. You're basically just opening and blocking the domain itself. Look at the threads on that page. They are all .ml leading links, but posted in various other instances that are not actually .ml. So they're not an accumulation of actual .ml communities and their content, but content that is posted wherever that links towards .ml. It's like those domain filters on some websites (like Reddit IIRC) that you can click on to get a list of all submissions from that domain, like a news site for example, except only within the realms of the fediverse.
Ah, so URL link-type posts pointing to that domain. Have you ever tried it though - might it also block users or communities from that instance as well, even if it isn't obvious just from glancing at that page?
I would try it myself but I don't have an account on any Mbin instance. But if you are positive that it does not also block users - as multiple people kept telling me - then I need to remove that wording from my post telling people that Mbin can do that.
Yes, it's blocked pretty much since before I even switched from kbin.social to fedia.io. It does block neither the instance nor the users from there, hence why I have such a huge blocklist of communities. I block them as they pop up on my feed.
Sorry to hear that. It sounds like you would have to switch to PieFed (which can do it but the UI isn't as polished, plus then it can't also read content from Mastodon) or use an app (which I thought none were available that worked for Mbin?), or as you say put in the effort for every single community and annoying user who is trying to push their agenda.
On the bright side, you've done it now so henceforth it is merely maintenance:-).
Thanks for letting me know.
There's one app but I don't use it as it do not have a compact view, only cards, and that would not replace anything on the desktop either. PieFed is about as bad as Lemmy imo. There is an open feature request for this on Github though, so hopefully it's just a matter of time.
PieFed is odd in both having several features that Lemmy lacks - categories of communities, tags on posts, and most pertinent here, the ability to truly block all users from a specified instance without requiring admin approval (which neither Lemmy nor apparently Mbin offers) - while at the same time lacking in several fundamentals, e.g. user tagging such as @[email protected] generates no notifications, and the UI is highly difficult to work with for posts with many comments and especially deeper chains that are nested (there is no option to go one level up, the only choice is to start all over at the top level, at which point browser searching does not work when the comments are buried too deeply, as is our very conversation here).
Yes there is a request for a PieFed API. In the browser the display options are a List, a Tile, and a Wide Tile. Off the top of my head, Lemmy seems the most polished - e.g. there are many apps providing choices for how to access it - followed by Mbin and PieFed that each offer different feature sets.
Ah right fair enough.
Edit: sorry, I intended this to the person you were responding to. I'll send it on to them, but leave it here in case you want to know as well, with this message explaining how strange it is that I would be responding to you who is not on Mbin:-P.
Actually it is. I don't have an Mbin account but supposedly if you go to https://fedia.io/d/lemmy.ml then you should be able to accomplish it from there. It's quite hidden though, isn't it!?:-P More details in this post: https://piefed.social/post/307636.
I'd be interested to hear how it works out for you - like on PieFed if you do that, it blocks the users but not the communities, and in Lemmy it blocks communities but not users. I don't know what it will do for you, beyond blocking users - but like, is it similar to a full defederation in blocking the communities as well?
.ml is mostly a linux-centric hub. anything else is just a distraction
Most lemmy.ml users and communities are perfectly fine. I didnt notice a higher number of problematic users from ml than from other instances mine is federated to. I think hexbear and lemmygrad and a bunch of nazi instances are defederated.