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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's fundamentally not how it works. The bureaucracy must exist to a certain extent. Running a country of 330M people and $25T GDP without it is ludicrous. People must exist in all that who can actually do the work and not just be yes men.

They'll make a lot of press for the first year or so of firing people and trying to replace them. Some of those replacements will back out, and positions will go unfilled. Then the consequences of not having the old guard around will start to sink in, and the whole project will grind against itself.

To be clear, none of this is good. Those consequences won't be confined to the people causing the problems. Not even close. But it will mitigate the damage from a full implementation of Project 2025.

[–] someguy3 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The bureaucracy must exist to a certain extent.

I think you're missing that the GOP has been in "burn it all down" mode for 16 years. They don't want a functioning government, they think government gets in the way of a libertarian utopia (Vance's own words).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, I'm saying that very factor will kill the whole project. They don't understand how any of it works, why it has to work the way it does (at least to some extent), and things will go wrong because of it. As those things pile up, it's going to be increasingly clear that they are creating more problems than they're solving, and they will have to spend increasingly amounts of time solving those problems rather than moving the project forward.

[–] someguy3 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They don't care if it creates problems because they'll explain it away as short term, transition, private market will solve it because the private market solves everything, etc. That's the point of "burn it all down", they don't care. Everything will go wrong in our eyes, but in their eyes it's not wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter. Certain things have to be done correctly. Orwellian Rightthink doesn't work in the long run; you can say that 2+2=5 all you want, but if you're making a car, it has to be 4. This will affect the billionaire Republican donors, and then they'll start caring.

[–] someguy3 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry but you're seriously missing the point: they don't care.

All these things you care about working correctly, they don't care. To them it doesn't have to be done correctly. To them it doesn't have to be done at all. To them the magical private sector will solve it. Republican donors will probably profit off it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When Musk starts losing rockets due to bad weather data out of the husk of NOAA, will they start caring then? Reality has a way of forcing the issue.

[–] someguy3 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No they won't. I'm serious, they don't care. If things going "wrong" it just means they haven't privatized enough and haven't burned down the government enough.

Reality? They don't live in reality.