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These might be the good old days. Go outside, feel the grass, say wassup to your neighbors,... whatever you do that means community, because sh*t might get bad for a while.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well and so far the popular vote is more red then blue. I think the USA will get the government the voters deserve.

Here's hoping the rest of the world can not get pulled down.

[–] AsheHole 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm someone smack in the middle of a liberal city in an always blue state, I don't know what else there is for me to do. I've attempted helping educate and getting people to vote in other states who normally choose not to, I've voted in every election down to local boards and try to know who I'm voting for. Locally, we had a lot of successes so far this election in our state...but that won't help much if, y'know, fascism.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

People turn fascist when they're desperate and angry, same as always. So when people experience economic hardship they look for somone to blame, often immigrants. So we call them racists, and I guess that's true, but it comes from something else; economic inequality.

In Europe we do the same thing, in the French elections the rural population voted overwhelmingly for the fascists - here in brown.

In the German elections, the poorer former East-German provinces also supported the fascist AfD, here shown in the darker colours.

Even in Denmark, where I live, the more right-wing and extremist parties are popular in the southern, western, and northern parst of the country - the poorer rural areas, who's seen their jobs disappear, their shops close, and their income stall even as the country as a whole gets richer.

So the challenge of liberal democracy is clear; show the population outside the cities that they, too, can get their piece of the pie. If we cannot solve that, then we'll see more countries turn fascist in the next decade.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Jesus, been scrolling for hours and finally someone has said it. It's why someone like Bernie trended so well and actually had a chance if the DNC would've ran him in 2016. He wanted to raise EVERYONE up, regardless of any identity or ideology. He came with receipts and actual plans that he non-stopped harped on every second he had a mic in front of him. This election cycle I didn't hear a single actual legislative plan fleshed out like they did with the healthcare for all in 2016 debates. You're not gonna win a mud-slinging contest of "he said, she said" when people just don't care.

A lot of people (white and/or rich mostly) also know that they have benefited from racial discrimination and opportunities stolen from other people. They saw their parents buying homes, getting loans and jobs. They vaguely heard how difficult it was for POC or displaced individuals, they don't want the system turning on them. In their bleak futurism that the right-wing paints, we will all be treated equally so everyone is a target. Instead of targeting voters concerns in an economical way, they went with a polisci approach like Harris's horrible housing innovative.

Harris proposes to provide $25,000 down-payment assistance to first-time homebuyers who have paid rent on time for two years, with more generous support for qualifying first-generation homeowners. .... The proposal stems from an idea the Biden-Harris administration presented earlier this year, which called on Congress to implement $25,000 in down-payment assistance exclusively for 400,000 first-generation buyers, or first-time buyers whose parents weren’t homeowners, and a $10,000 tax credit for first-time buyers.

You're parents had a shack? sorry. Get no economical support from parents but they effect your government support? sorry. Congress didn't pass it? sorry. We've decided to change the definition of a "starter-home". Sorry.

The piece of the pie was a perfect way to put it, I've seen so many shit takes from everyone on here I'm flabbergasted. From people "getting popcorn to watch everyone get their just desserts" to "maybe we shouldn't of ran a woman-POC this election cycle".

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 6 points 2 weeks ago

Back in 2016 I was living in the middle of Trump country, but when I told them I was supporting Bernie and not Clinton they'd say something like "I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff but I respect him and like that he hates billionaires."

I really think he could have won.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, thank you for putting it in plain language. People are not in a good place all over the world and telling people the economy (markets and stats people no longer have faith in) is great has the opposite effect then what the Dems intended.

This mess stems from a combo of a two party system (you know that thing the US founders warned you about) and a fundamental failure (real or perceived) of society's ability to reward people fairly. Now you don't have a middle class to pander to, you just have levels of poor and a few ultra wealthy (both demographics that tend to vote more right then left).

The real telling stat here is women voters. At what point would a woman vote contrary to her own body autonomy, safety and general rights? Like anyone else, when she is poor, hungry and angry.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not sure what to tell you, I am in another nation but a similar situation. The state of things is now to the point media is untrusted, nationalism is both here and missing, while people are angry but happy to blame the "other guys".

[–] AsheHole 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

My ultimate fear is we're too late and this is a global trend, but hopefully we can break through it. (We as in humanity, my team kinda dropped the ball on this one it's looking) We need to get people educated and working towards change instead of casting blame on the "other guys" like you said. Right now though it's hard not to feel lost knowing my loved ones and my rights and safety is at stake. I hope things look up for you and your loved ones.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Both of our nations really need to have some electoral reform.

Best we can do it seems is an "I voted" sticker.