Asklemmy

43855 readers

2247 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy 🔍

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

Open-ended question
Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

Lemmyverse: community search
sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
[email protected]: a community for finding communities

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_[email protected]~

founded 5 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

On prison abolition (self.asklemmy)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by needthosepylons to c/[email protected]

53 comments fedilink hide all child comments

You're a prison abolitionist. You're in a high stakes discussion where you have to answer seriously and be convincing.

Someone asks you : "yeah, but what are we to do with people breaking the law, then? What will you replace prisons with ?"

What will you answer?

Edit : Thanks a lot for your answer, they were very interesting and reflecting different ways to frame a world without prisons.

Except from one or two edgelord hot takes, of course.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Wouldn't giving her the mean to pay the rent prevent her from needing to take part of drug traffic ?

From context I gather you're from Belgium. Isn't there already OCMW/CPAS for free housing?

What do you do when it's the single mom in free housing that just wants 500EUR extra cash? Find political consensus to give her a bigger free house, with a pool, and a credit card?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From context I gather you're from Belgium. Isn't there already OCMW/CPAS for free housing?

Just because they're from one country (assuming they actually are,) doesn't mean they're speaking from the perspective of that country. Most people will assume if you're speaking English you're from America or some such.

What do you do when it's the single mom in free housing that just wants 500EUR extra cash? Find political consensus to give her a bigger free house, with a pool, and a credit card?

You're just using a completely different scenario to move the goalposts. I believe that they're point was that imprisoning people for committing a crime in pursuit of basic survival is pretty fucking shitty.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're just using a completely different scenario to move the goalposts.

How so? If you abolish prisons, they're abolished for every scenario

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

From the original comment:

I'm fine saying that people like Dutroux, Breivick or Abdeslam shall not be out before a very long-time. However, they're not the average criminal.

Obviously they aren't for complete prison abolishment.