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Intel outlines plan to break free from TSMC manufacturing — 70% of Panther Lake at Intel fabs, Nova Lake almost entirely in-house (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The key word is temporarily. How long ago was this?

Calling people dumb then throwing a weak argument doesn't make it stronger.

They're on wafer thin margins with vendor lock in. The strategy was not successful.

[–] KingRandomGuy 3 points 3 weeks ago

I think it's been about a year? IIRC Intel only started using TSMC for their processors with Meteor Lake, which was released in late 2023.

I believe their discrete GPUs have been manufactured at TSMC for longer than that, though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

It was a bad take. Intel has not been using TSMC long.

That said, it's pretty broadly agreed that Intel needs to toss its manufacturing arm into a subsidiary, and then possibly make that subsidiary completely independent. That's what AMD did with Global Foundries, and it worked very well for them. This process seems to have already started at Intel.

[–] firadin 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How long do you think fabs take to build and upgrade? Intel was working on fixing 10nm for years, this isn't a software situation where turnaround times are measured in days or weeks. Going from tapeout to silicon for a single line is a 6 month process after the technology process is solidified, forget if you're doing it while trying to figure out yield problems.

[–] Entropywins 1 points 3 weeks ago

Three years in and at least one more to go where I work for our fab upgrade...could probably pull off new build in 4 or less not having to deal with production/cleanroom and depending on bldg/campus size.

[–] Entropywins 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ha wafer thin margins funny!!! Side note you ever watched them pull/crystallize silicone ingots it's pretty frickin cool to see.