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Tesla Bet On 'Pure Vision' For Self-Driving. That's Why It's In Hot Water (insideevs.com)
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A fan of Tesla might think that the automaker just can't catch a break when it comes to its autonomous driving tech. It’s already subject to several federal investigations over its marketing and deployment of technologies like Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD), and as of last week, we can add another to the list involving around 2.4 million Tesla vehicles. This time, regulators are assessing the cars' performance in low-visibility conditions after four documented accidents, one of which resulted in a fatality.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) says this new probe is looking at instances when FSD was engaged when it was foggy or a lot of dust was in the air, or even when glare from the sun blinded the car’s cameras and this caused a problem.

What the car can "see" is the big issue here. It's also what Tesla bet its future on.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (18 children)

Seriously though, wtf is up with Elon not liking LIDAR? I think pretty much every other manufacturer incorporates it into their higher-end driver assist stuff at this point.

[–] Bassman1805 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

"Humans only need visible light"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Humans are bad drivers as well. Technology should try to do better than humans, not accept the limitations of humans. When Radar, lidar (and others - possibly including things not invented yet) exist we should use them to make cars safer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can still do better than human drivers wiith only visible light cameras by using more of them at different heights and angles than a person could pay attention to. I think mixing in other sensors and data sources would still be even better, but they're already getting more data than a human could.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Musk is of course right. The "only" thing he forgot was that his vision-only model needs full human level artificial intelligence behind it to work.

Very genius.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Musk is also forgetting that humans use other senses when driving, not just their sight.

[–] SpaceNoodle 9 points 1 month ago

I use echolocation by screaming at other drivers.

[–] SpaceNoodle 4 points 1 month ago

And even then, it would only be able to drive as well as a human, and humans kill tons of people on the highways.

[–] FlowVoid 6 points 1 month ago

Humans can move their heads to avoid glare. They can shield glare from their eyes with visors.

Tesla cameras currently can't do either.

[–] IphtashuFitz 2 points 1 month ago

If the Wright Brothers used the same logic their flying machines would have all flapped…

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