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He then ends up suggesting the reason they don't like Harris is because she's a woman -

“Because part of it makes me think – and I’m speaking to men directly – part of it makes me think that, well, you just aren’t feeling the idea of having a woman as president, and you’re coming up with other alternatives and other reasons for that.”

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[–] WoahWoah 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hey, all else aside, I really appreciate you for constructively adding to the conversation and being so humble. In a post that took me a while to research and write that seemingly induced a lot of denialist-downvotes, it is refreshing to at least see someone willing to listen and think about it.

[–] GeneralInterest 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well I'm just saying there's certainly a lot of statistics I haven't seen.

Also in the Pew polling I linked to, it shows the Democrat lead among black college grads increasing between the 2018 mid-terms and 2020. It's only a 1 point difference but at least it hasn't gone backwards.

Maybe the Dems are doing better with more educated voters, but not necessarily white ones. I dunno. I guess for these matters a person would have to see lots of data points to really understand the trends going on.

[–] WoahWoah 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Just to be clear, saying you have humility was intended as a compliment.

College graduates, white people, suburban, and affluent people are four methods of categorizing people. One can belong to one, two, three, or all four of these groups. When we examine overall trends, it doesn’t make sense to only focus on a narrow time period, like two years from the past. Instead, if we want to understand trend projections, we need a longer range of data, ideally looking from 2014 to 2024. A smaller set of data can be misleading. For instance, if you looked at suicide rates between 1998 and 1999 in the U.S., you’d see a drop. But if you zoomed out from 1980 to the near-present, you’d see a clear and alarming upward trend. Focusing too narrowly risks missing the bigger picture. (The inverse is also true: if you looked at democrat's base over 200 years, you'd be including when the were the party of slavers.)

Over the last decade, we’ve seen a notable shift in the Democratic base toward white, affluent, and college-educated voters. Traditionally, Democrats were the party of the working class and people of color. However, support among those groups has been slipping, while wealthy, suburban, and educated voters—especially in urban areas—have increasingly embraced the Democratic Party, particularly on cultural and social issues. This shift became more pronounced during and after Trump’s presidency, as many educated, affluent voters were turned off by his populist, anti-intellectual rhetoric.

Looking ahead, the trend seems to be one where Democrats rely more heavily on white, college-educated, and affluent voters, while their historical support from working-class voters and people of color continues to decline. Democrats will likely gain ground in cities and suburbs where these voters are concentrated, but struggle in rural and less affluent areas. This is a significant realignment for the party, which might face challenges reconciling the economic interests of these affluent voters with the needs of its traditional base, even as social and cultural issues increasingly become the glue holding this new coalition together.

Again, that's not necessarily a problem in terms of the ability to get democrats elected. But it does present an unfortunate trend if you are concerned with your party representing those demographics. It also requires enough of the shifting composition to make up for the other declines in voters. Given how close almost all elections are these days, that's no guarantee. And, as I noted, it also might create issues where democratic policies and platforms may need to prioritize one group of supporters over the other -- though, arguably, that's already been occurring, and seems like part of the reason for the shifting composition of the base.

[–] GeneralInterest 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you have any specific links that show this data? I'm just wondering really. I wonder what the trends with non-white college grads are.

[–] WoahWoah 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] GeneralInterest 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Every one of those links gives me 404: not found... do they work for you? I am in the UK but that shouldn't be a problem because I can normally access stuff from Pew, NYT, and WaPo.

[–] WoahWoah 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Strange, I'm not sure why you can't access the links. I've provided some updated/alternative links that contain the same or corroborating data directly or linked/embedded as well commentary based on that data or additional related sources.

Some fairly cursory googling on your part will turn this information up. It's not particulary difficult to find. Synthesizing the data and providing commentary based off of analytic models tuned to that data I've already done in my initial and follow-up posts, so I think I've done enough legwork for you at this point, I imagine you're capable of taking it from here.

[–] GeneralInterest 1 points 4 weeks ago

Ah thanks those links do work. Some of that stuff is interesting, like this graph from the Cambridge link, with middle income people carrying the GOP: