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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Everywhere unless they're tenured

[–] Rolando 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's a little more complicated than that. I think the factors are:

  • part-time adjunct vs full-time
  • research vs non
  • type of college (prestige, size, focus)
  • what you do in summers
  • field

So for example you could be a machine learning Research Professor (non-tenure-track) in a first-tier university and bring in a lot of money through grants. Or you could be a tenured teaching professor at a smaller college and not work in summers and make a mid-level income. Or you could be a part-time instructor (e.g., adjunct faculty) in the humanities and make very little.

[–] NielsBohron 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Typically, the amount of grant money you receive does not affect your salary. It can affect your job security and it can be a factor in earning tenure, but in general, writing more grant proposals=/=higher pay (just more money for research).

Plus, even at R1 schools, tenure-track positions are often starting out with pretty low pay compared to tuition and very low compared what the professor could be making in private industry. According to this study by National Center for Educational Statistics, only about a third of college budgets are spent on instruction, with about another third on support services (counselors, financial aid, tutoring/library services, accessibility services, etc.), with the remainder spent on administration. But that doesn't look so bad until you realize that at most schools, 50%-75% of the courses are not taught by full-time instructors, but by adjuncts, and adjuncts are often paid at or below the poverty line (about 25k/year in 2020). Even as a tenured instructor with 10 years of salary schedule advancements and a partner with a full-time job in higher education, I'm still living paycheck-to-paycheck.

So, yes, it is more complicated than "all professors are underpaid," but not by much. It's really more like "75% of college instructors are near or below poverty level."

[–] Rolando 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, I agree that most faculty are underpaid, especially in the humanities. Also, I agree that universities should have more tenure-track Teaching Faculty (whose main job is being good teachers to undergraduates) rather than just having part-time adjuct faculty or research-focused professors who don't really want to teach.

I didn't mean to sound like I was defending the status quo. Just that there are a lot of career considerations that I didn't learn "until it was too late" that I was hoping to communicate to younger generations.

[–] NielsBohron 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's fair, and I think a realistic view of the current situation is definitely beneficial for aspiring academics, especially given the current "academic industrial complex" pumping out PhDs far faster than jobs open up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Agree with the above, with the exception of summer work which is unrelated to what they make from being professors. If you are a college professor and need to keep a second job to keep the roof over your head, then I think the point stands.

[–] Rolando 4 points 1 month ago

Last time I interviewed I saw a couple jobs that had 9-month academic calendar (fall/winter) obligations, for a given salary. If you wanted to teach summer classes at that college for additional pay you were welcome to, or you could just take those months off. or do consulting, or visiting teaching somewhere else, or get a grant to pay your salary while you did research, etc.

My last post got downvoted so I hope it doesn't sound like I love the current academic environment. On the contrary I'm jaded. But if you're just starting out, ask the older people for advice, the more you know the better your chance of survival.