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You can argue with communists, you can't argue with fanboys or those who accepted Marx as the one and true Messiah and tell you to read ze book instead of providing any points. But that's applicable to pretty much every topic (oop bad, for example).
I'm happy to hear this coming from someone on ml. At least some of you still possess the ability to reason.
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not exactly into Marxism-Leninism, I'm more of an anarchist myself (the idea of dictatorship, be it of a working class or anyone else, doesn't sit right with me). And ml was chosen at the time just due to it being hosted by the Lemmy devs
The Dictatorship of the Proletariat isn't a literal dictatorship, but an establishment of Proletarian supremacy over Capital. It's still democratic.
Allrighty, a poor choice of words, then. What I meant was more or less along the lines of "while I like the idea of communism, I think maintaining vertical power structures while trying to make it happen is more or less doomed to result in yet another autocracy"
You may be interested in the article Why do Marxists Fail to Bring the "Worker's Paradise?" Marxists disagree with the idea that AES states are autocracies, while acknowledging that AES certainly isn't a wonderland.
Additionally, Marxists don't have an issue with hierarchy, but classes. The Marxist and Anarchist notions of the state are different, and as such judging AES by how well it advanced goals it never had is a bit silly.
Tnx, will check it out!
No problem! Let me know if you have any questions, it's a short article so it's lighter on details for tangentially related topics for the sake of brevity.
The dictatorship of the proletarist refers to the reversal of class dynamics in which the working class becomes the ruling class of a country and by necessity oppresses the owner class (e.g. expropriation of factories). It is not literal dictators.
Lemmy was created by communists and the ml instance is administered by them.
Yeah I got a pretty nauseating explanation of "The June 4th Incident"