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Look you want me to address this sure, the poster above said that this had only been going on for about 100 years, but its not, this region has been in contention between various religious and ethnic groups and the Jews for 1000s of years, I just provided historical examples. How is that not relevant to the original poster claiming this started recently?
My point is this, I think your world view is this, that what actually happened is indeterminable, and that the only way forward that's just is to conflate what's happened into whatever looks best for "your side". I'll explain why I think this is awful, because in a large part there have been active efforts to end the apartheid in Gaza and to free its people, but this convolution of my side is the only side that's correct has been a major driving force behind making sure the walls stay up. I only see the war ending 2 ways, either Israel glasses gaza or the shit finally gets resolved and out of all this bloodshed Israel and palistine become regional powers. this, objective denying of facts and twisting the rhetoric will help lead to the former, not the latter.
My dude what happened is imminently determinable. It's recent fucking history. It's safe to assume they fairly accurately recorded every part of Israel's creation because to them it wasn't seen as a bad thing to establish a western colonialist outpost in the middle east, and to use the Zionists and the Holocaust as the excuse to do it.
The people killed 1000 years ago were not Israelis. The people who killed them were not Palestinian. All of this history is irrelevant to conflating "The jews" with "Israel" which you shouldn't do, and is the only problem I had with you bringing it up.
As far as the outcome I mostly agree. I don't see this ending in a way were all three of Gaza, Israel, and Lebanon continue to exist simultaneously. My preference is that the colonist state gets abolished, but I have no delusions about the likelihood of that outcome. My "side" is against the people committing genocide. I have no special place in my heart for Gaza or Lebanon, or special hate in my heart for Israel. I have no real opinions about jewish people as a whole because it is stupid to treat an entire religion and ethnic group as a monolith.