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[–] jqubed 40 points 4 months ago (14 children)

Buses are great for public transit and the most cost effective option for some communities. There also seems to be a stigma against buses, though, where people are more willing to take a train than a bus. I’m starting to suspect that stigma extends to people wanting to build trains instead of buses that can get the same job done for less money than building a brand new train system.

[–] partial_accumen 60 points 4 months ago (12 children)

There also seems to be a stigma against buses, though, where people are more willing to take a train than a bus.

I'll absolutely take a train over a bus if they are going to the same destination.

  • train has fewer stops meaning train reaches the destination faster
  • train has ultimate right-of-way, and doesn't have to stop for pedestrians on the tracks, red lights, or other things
  • trains in some cities, go under waterways meaning more direct routes than busses
  • there's more space inside trains and usually more choice of seats. Standing is also an option which isn't allowed on most busses
  • acceleration and deceleration are more predictable and comfortable
  • nearly all metro light rail trains are powered by electricity, while many city busses remain diesel
[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

Most of those can addressed by busses too actually.

Train has fewer stops meaning train reaches the destination faster

Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) or any bus line can have less stop for this reason. To expand on BRT routes, they can be dedicated lanes for busses, with right of way. They can be specific only for busses, and cars not allowed to use it ever or also mixed usage where certain rush hours are for bus use only but outside those hours can be used by other vehicles.

Train has ultimate right-of-way, and doesn't have to stop for pedestrians on the tracks, red lights, or other things

This can also be done with BRT routes.

trains in some cities, go under waterways meaning more direct routes than busses

BRT as well.

there's more space inside trains and usually more choice of seats. Standing is also an option which isn't allowed on most busses

Busses can absolutely support this. Paris has more open busses to allow more people standing or people with disabilities.

acceleration and deceleration are more predictable and comfortable

With dedicated BRT lanes, I believe that can also be done considering there's only bus stops that need to be slowed down on.

Nearly all metro light rail trains are powered by electricity, while many city busses remain diesel

I know technically electric busses are possible, but I'm not certain how feasible this is.

My understanding is that BRT routes are cheaper and faster to setup than trains, and can be upgraded to trains. I'm not saying BRT is better than light or heavy rail, but that should be a more common path for mass transit that is not utilized in the US.

[–] DempstersBox 4 points 4 months ago

Hey, BRT is great! I'll happily support that rather than building regular car infrastructure.

I also still vastly prefer the train. Or a ferry, if that's an option.

Point not brought up by the other person: Bicycles. I am primarily a bike commuter, and have had one good experience with a bike and bus:

Last bus out of the city, like 2:30am. Driver has no time for our shit, tells us to bring them inside and hang on, to hell with the front rack. We didn't even pay.

I've also had my bike half pop out of said front rack, get taco'd, and got absolutely nothing out of it. Totally fucked. No restitution.

Best case with bikes on a bus is you get lucky and get a spot, usually you're better off just riding the whole way.

Trains, have room. Never not made a train with my bike.

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