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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which of her policies do you consider to be Leftist?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I consider her policies moralist, I don't think she has a theoretical foundation.

Many of her policies would be at home in a leftwing government, like the jobs guarantee and debt cancellation and the rights to food/housing/healthcare, but that doesn't make them Leftist. These are just moral positions. I think they're good, sure, but I don't think she has a real plan to make them happen.

Workers' party or bust.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

None of those policies sound particularly far away from what Biden/Harris have done / want to do. Student/medical debt cancellation being the obvious one. Job growth under Biden being another. Harris has also recently spoken in favor of unions/collective bargaining as of late. Harris also co-sponsored Bernie's Medicare for all.

Is Stein to the Left of Harris? Sure. Is she far to the Left of Harris? No.

The fact is, the ideological gap between Harris and Stein is way smaller than the one between Harris and Trump.

But you want to disingenuously paint Harris and Trump as virtually identical because of a single foreign policy issue that you lot can pretend to clutch your pearls over and virtue signal about until your lungs give out.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Student/medical debt cancellation being the obvious one.

They have no plans to cancel all debt. I don't consider ticky-tacky piecemeal debt """forgiveness""" to be anything like full debt abolition.

Job growth under Biden being another

Not growth, literally a jobs guarantee. That means full employment, which is nothing like Biden/Harris focusing on private economic growth.

Harris has also recently spoken in favor of unions/collective bargaining as of late.

They broke the railroad strike, and Biden is to the left of Harris on unions anyway.

Harris also co-sponsored Bernie’s Medicare for all.

She's abandoned it.

Is Stein to the Left of Harris? Sure. Is she far to the Left of Harris? No.

She's doing genocide and promises to do more, she's promising to put Republicans in her administration, she's a cop.

Right of center at best.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Now imagine being so ignorant as to not see how a similar comparison on policy between Harris and Trump would put Harris far to the Left of Trump.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I already acknowledged she's slightly to the left of Trump. That doesn't change the fact that "closer" is doing a lot of work.

A pile of shit is closer to food than a rock. Would you eat it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Again, to say Stein is far to the Left of Harris, but Harris is only slightly to the Left of Trump is ignorant at best, disingenuous at worst.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did even you read my responses to your specific examples? I think I demonstrated pretty handily that Harris is center-right.

She's not for Medicare for All, she's not for universal debt abolition, she's not for a jobs guarantee, she's willing to break strikes for the sake of the capitalist economy, and most importantly she's a militaristic freak that wants to further increase funding for the military and give unlimited support to Israel as it does genocide and drags us into WW3

She's a 2000s era Republican.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think I demonstrated pretty handily that Harris is center-right.

Which has nothing to do with whether Harris is further left from Trump than she is right of Stein.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Trump and Harris agree on militarizing the border, on increasing funding to the military, on unlimited support for Israel's genocide, on support for police, on increasing fracking and oil drilling and on building pipelines, I could go on.

Trump is certainly farther to the right on a lot of issues, but they actually have broad agreement on a lot of issues too.

Hitler-lite vs Hitler-delux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When Trump steals the election you'll be out in the streets with me anyway to oppose his regime, why do you insist on making enemies?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When Trump wins the election it'll be because your rhetoric pushed people not to vote in a way that prevents him from winning.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If he wins it'll be because of voter suppression and electioneering in states like Georgia, as well as the Democrats betraying Palestinian-Americans and demanding they vote for their own familis to die. You are wasting your time being mad at people that have no power.

You have real enemies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

There's that good ol' fashioned tankie-lite virtue-signaling deflection.