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Still, a lot of people are seemingly treating all third parties the same as they do the Green party, which then affects all of them in public opinion.
At the national level, yes. The only thing they are is a spoiler party in federal elections. Hopefully that changes in the future, but to do that we need to get away from FPTP, and those 3rd parties need to go local first to get recognition.
Local level is an entirely different territory, and there are quite a few third parties in offices.
But in a federal election? Yeah, they are only a spoiler, nothing else.
But see you are doing exactly what I said, applying criticism of the Green party to all third parties. Its the green party that doesn't participate in local elections. I don't mind third parties trying different strategies. For better or for worse, whatever the green party is doing at least gets it talked about a ton, which has to be worth something.
No, I'm applying it to all third parties at the federal level, with zero/minimal representation at the local/state level.
That makes them spoiler candidates.
And its specifically for the worse in a presidential, because they are spoiler candidates.
If Jill Stein wanted better for the US, she would have dropped out, said she wants better for the country, and put her support behind a candidate who can win and isn't running on a platform of christian hate.
But she didn't. Like she didn't in the two previous presidential elections.
Want to know why?
Tap for spoiler
SHE IS A SPOILER CANDIDATEThere isnt only one valid perspective that is "better for the US". The only ones we know are wrong are the current one, because clearly bad shit happens as a result.
While you think she's a spoiler, I don't think she thinks that. I think she thinks she is helping America, truly. Its one thing to disagree with her methods or policies, but quite another to throw shit on her for sitting at a table with Putin once. I don't think she is selling herself out.
I am sure she won't win, but I think that it helps broaden the discussion on what politics can be in the future, even if its just a bunch of people from different corners arguing about it.
I would agree if, and only if:
At best, she's working to republican advantage. But with everything else....
She's not broadening jack, she's there to get Trump elected. There are far too many items that show as much.
So no. I'm not going to sit here while someone "hurr durr good conversation". Bullshit. Complete bullshit, she has one purpose, and one only, or she wouldn't be doing the things shes doing.
You can lie to yourself and others, but I won't.
I wouldnt work with anyone who ever was near trump either.
Spoiling michigan would be a win for them because the democrats would rather ignore the green party. The whole point of the green party is to affect change in the democrat party. Yes they are going after democrats They are trying to convert democrats who aren't aware of our countries shortcomings internationally.
They don't expect to win the presidential office, they expect to affect change within the democrat party by giving a home to those who don't feel represented by democrats or republicans anymore.
I want people to vote honestly. Even with all of these issues I have with the democrats I still voted for Kamala. The point is broadening the discussions so people aren't afraid to be honest about politics.
Again, you can keep lying to yourself and others, but I won't.
They are ignored because they are spoiler candidates. Because they do nothing when its not Presidential election time.
Because Jill Stein is a spoiler candidate.
You can keep trying to selectively ignore parts of this, but it doesnt change anything. I'll say again - if they wanted to effect real change, they would be going for local, state, and then federal seats in all elections.
But they aren't. Because Jill Stein is a spoiler candidate and nothing more.
Edit: And they definitely wouldn't want a threat to democracy to get into office. That right there should be your bit where you realize what she is.
You can say spoiler candidate all you want, I'm not sure why you think that will change my mind.
Your mind won't be changed, you're going to keep saying the same stuff, I get that.
I mention it for others who read this thread. Working Families Party is a great example of a third party that actually is working for change, and collaborates to stop the far right.
The Green Party, and Jill Stein, is actively working in a way to the advantage of the far right, as well as blatantly working directly with them. Which makes her... dun dun dun.... a spoiler candidate.
So yeah, I'll keep repeating it.
I didnt vote for the green party. I voted for kamala in the federal election and chose the working class party for the rest that I could, and democrats where I couldn't.
Does that satisfy you?
Thats wonderful!
I still want to make sure people know what Jill Stein is, and don't throw away their vote to her as the republicans she collaborates with want.
I'd argue that all Democrats should vote for literally any third party if they are in a non-contested state, if one of those exists.
Other than that though, I still respect the freedom to vote for what you believe in, and do not think Jill Stein is at least knowingly a "Russian asset" if you want to call it that.
What I consider her is a republican asset, to be clear. Which is why she works so closely with so many far right republicans, and is specifically trying to pull votes in battleground states to give Trump the win. Lets be honest here - even her own people say thats the goal.
And I don't think any state is really non-contested at this point. I will continue to support expanding social programs and shutting down the far right at every turn, and now that I know WFP is in my state enough, I'll be supporting them at every point I can.
I also won't turn a blind eye to someone intentionally trying to get the far right in power. Which is what Jill Stein and the Green Party are doing.