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I'm beginning to notice a pattern (lemmy.ml)
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[–] kameecoding 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

He already said capitalists, state capitalism is still capitalism, no matter if you call it communism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The USSR was Socialist, what on Earth are you talking about?

[–] kameecoding -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

and North Korea is democratic, it's in the name after all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When did I say names determine structures? Even then, the DPRK is fairly democratic in actuality.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Calling something state capitalist when capitalism heavily relies on the state by default shows you need to hit the books on how capitalism actually functions.

[–] kameecoding -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Calling something state capitalist when capitalism heavily relies on the state by default

I have no idea what you are trying to say with this, but perhaps you should look things up before pompously trying to diss people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Perhaps you should read theory. The USSR was State Capitalist with respect to the NEP, but was Socialist for its entire existence

[–] undergroundoverground -1 points 2 months ago

People's theory is just fine. The problem for you is that they kept reading theory that was written after thr 1970s.

[–] kameecoding -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can only read 2 pages from what you linked, and am not paying 40 dollars to read the rest, certainly not when they already display a gross oversimplification and anti-Marxist definition of Capitalism (critically leaving out competition, Capital accumulation, and so forth), and therefore take a vulgar revisionist stance. There's no analysis of class dynamics, just an over-reliance on the presense of Wage Labor.

Please read theory, I can make recommendations for the basics if you'd like.

[–] kameecoding -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There’s no analysis of class dynamics

We do not think there was a struggle between capitalism and communism across the twentieth century. For us, communism never ended in that century because it never arose there. Our conclusion is built on the fact that communism –if understood as a distinct, non-capitalist class structure– was neither a significant, nor a sustained part of the history of any of the nations conventionally labeled communist.

emphasis mine, their entire argument is based on the fact that the USSR lacked the class dynamics of communism, thus weren't communist.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Nobody, not even the USSR, claims they reached upper-stage Communism. They were Communist in ideology, and Socialist in structure. Their argument is a left-anticommunist argument against a claim nobody made.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Wikipedia