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The Israeli government did not tamper with the Hezbollah devices that exploded, defense and intelligence officials say. It manufactured them as part of an elaborate ruse.

In Lebanon, as Israel picked off senior Hezbollah commandos with targeted assassinations, their leader came to a conclusion: If Israel was going high-tech, Hezbollah would go low. It was clear, a distressed Hezbollah chief, Hassan Nasrallah, said, that Israel was using cellphone networks to pinpoint the locations of his operatives.

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By all appearances, B.A.C. Consulting was a Hungary-based company that was under contract to produce the devices on behalf of a Taiwanese company, Gold Apollo. In fact, it was part of an Israeli front, according to three intelligence officers briefed on the operation. They said at least two other shell companies were created as well to mask the real identities of the people creating the pagers: Israeli intelligence officers.

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[–] AWistfulNihilist 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

People are pretty universal in their condemnation of American attacks that kill civilians, that's why we see the names of those people less, Trump made that change. Biden rolled back those changes finally, but you're not gonna believe some of the new rules, stuff like stop fucking drone striking civilians you sociopaths: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/01/us/biden-drone-strikes.html

So yeah, America is both complicit in and has been (maybe still is) a sponsor of terror in many situations. And if one of those people affected by America in that way were to somehow get a bunch of cell phone bombs on GI's hips while they were out with their families, to those people it might be justified while I would still call it terrorism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The point is half the planet "accepts" drone strikes of terrorists, on the justification that those terrorists are "conducting war" where ever they are.

Note I am not holding this opinion, I'm describing it.

I would assume Israel is riding along the same idea.

Again, not my idea.

[–] AWistfulNihilist 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I get what you're saying, but my point is it's not really accepted. It's actually an incredibly controversial process that has recently been updated in the US to include not targeting civilians specifically.

Totally respect it's not your idea, I'm just pointing out that I think it's much more complicated when you involve civilian collateral damage, which is actually terrorism in a mask with an overcoat.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes agree. It's just that in some shape or form, western countries have been hunting terrorists and accepting (an amount) of collateral damage, for decades. It's seen as "warfare". I think we can assume Israel, in this case, thinks it's aligned with global norms with the beeper method.

I think it's a whole lot grayer than that

[–] AWistfulNihilist 0 points 1 month ago

I feel you, it's for sure gray.