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LDAP to UNIX user proxy (lemmy.ml)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/selfhosted

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Is there any service that will speak LDAP but just respond with the local UNIX users?

Right now I have good management for local UNIX users but every service wants to do its own auth. This means that it is a pain of remembering different passwords, configuring passwords on setting up a new service and whatnot.

I noticed that a lot of services support LDAP auth, but I don't want to make my UNIX user accounts depend on LDAP for simplicity. So I was wondering if there was some sort of shim that will talk the LDAP protocol but just do authentication against the regular user database (PAM).

The closest I have seen is the services.openldap.declarativeContents NixOS option which I can probably use by transforming my regular UNIX settings into an LDAP config at build time, but I was wondering if there was anything simpler.

(Related note: I really wish that services would let you specify the user via HTTP header, then I could just manage auth at the reverse-proxy without worrying about bugs in the service)

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[–] just_another_person 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think you're missing the point of LDAP then. It's a centralized directory used for querying information. It's not necessarily about user information, but can be anything.

What you're asking for is akin to locally hosting a SQL server that other machines can talk to? Then it's just a server. Start an LDAP server somewhere, then talk to it. That's how it works.

If you don't want a network service for this purpose, then don't use LDAP. If you want a bunch of users to exist on many machines without having to manually create them, then use LDAP, or a system configuration tool that creates and keeps them all eventually consistent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, LDAP is a general tool. But many applications that I am interested in using it for user information. That is what I want to use it for. I'm not really interested in storing other data.

I think you are sort of missing the goal of the question. I have a bunch of self-hosted services like Jellyfin, qBittorrent, PhotoPrism, Metabase ... I want to avoid having to configure users in each one individually. I am considering LDAP because it is supported by many of these services. I'm not concerned about synchronizing UNIX users, I already have that solved. (If I need to move those to LDAP as well that can be considered, but isn't a goal).

[–] just_another_person 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then it's the same situation. Find a box, setup an LDAP service, populate it, and you're good to go. That's it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The concern is that it would be nice if the UNIX users and LDAP is automatically in sync and managed from a version controlled source. I guess the answer is just build up a static LDAP database from my existing configs. It would be nice to have one authoritative system on the server but I guess as long as they are both built from one source of truth it shouldn't be an issue.

[–] just_another_person 2 points 3 months ago

You're thinking too hard about this.

There needs to be a source of truth. LDAP is just a simple protocol that can be backed by whatever. You're worried about the LDAP server going down, but guess what? It's all in flat files. Go ahead and set it up in a bit repo for config management service for the server/protocol portion, and backup the DB. Easy peasy.

You can also cluster your LDAP service amongst all of your nodes if you have 3+ nodes and un-even number of them to ensure consensus amongst them. You can even back LDAP with etcd if you really want to go down that road.

You're being paranoid about what happens if LDAP goes down, so solve for that. Any consumer of LDAP should be smart enough to work on cached info, and if not, it's badly implemented. Solve for the problem you have, not for what MIGHT happen, or else you're going to paranoid spiral like you are now because there is no such thing as a 100% effective solution to anything.