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by Norman Solomon

Aug 30, 2024

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[–] TropicalDingdong 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Hmm. I guess I'm still undecided then.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Same unfortunately

[–] Fredselfish 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You realize Trump will be way fucking worse right?

[–] TropicalDingdong 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Ahh yes. This dead idiotic trope that damn near handed Trump the election.

Tell em you don't know a god damned thing about electoralism without telling me you know not a god damned thing about electoralism.

[–] Fredselfish 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I guess I don't understand. In the United States we have only two choices when it comes to electing our president. So how you can you be undecided when your two choices are either Trump or Harris?

[–] nyctre 5 points 2 months ago

They don't give a fuck. The only point is pretending to have the moral high ground on the internet. That's literally all this is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They won't vote. Which means trump gets another vote essentially

[–] Fredselfish 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Exactly what I was going say. Not voting means you basically choosing Trump who would nuke Palestinian if given the chance. Fucker literally said he hoped Israel finishes the job of whipping them out.

Goddamm Harris didn't commit to cease fire so lets make sure Trump wins instead that will show the DNC.

Yall realize project 2025 is fucking real, trump is a real threat. I don't agree with her nor Biden when it comes to this stance. But come on we need to elect her. Hell keep in mind she may just playing lip service because unfortunately coming out for support for Palestinian in America could lose her shit ton of votes and money and give Trump a leg up.

Very possible she says this now get elected then day pause sells to Israel. That's my hope.

But regardless we need to elect her and make sure trump loses and goes off to prison to die.

[–] CrankyOldGrinch 2 points 2 months ago

Sounds like the calculus is simple. You either push your candidate to embrace a solution that has majority support with the democratic party voter base or risk losing a chunk of voters who've decided that genocide is their red line. I don't see how attempting to browbeat them is going to work. Especially as doing that gives license to the democratic party to shift the Overton window even further right.

[–] Nuke_the_whales 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's simple stupid. You don't vote for Harris, you're supporting Trump. And if you vote for nobody, shut the fuck up and don't comment on political matters you aren't even interested enough in to vote

[–] TropicalDingdong 3 points 2 months ago

Again, this tired, and demonstrated to be wrong, way of thinking.

No. It's that Kamala Harris has a policy position that weakens her chances of being elected. Our only power to save her from herself is the threat of a protest vote.

If it wasn't for the power of the protest vote, Trump would have already won this election.

[–] TurnpikeRangers 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So with EVERYTHING you know about Trump and Kamala, knowing what's on the line, knowing that Trump will be exponentially worse for Palestine, you're undecided? You hold Kamala and Democrats to such a high standard and are ok with Trump doing fuck all? You're no better than maga.

[–] TropicalDingdong 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Where does your power come from in this system?

[–] Nuke_the_whales -3 points 2 months ago

Wtf are you even talking about?