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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (73 children)

Any ~~current~~ real-life examples of "communism good"?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (16 children)

It's been democratically instituted many times. And every time America marches in and "liberates" them.

It's difficult to provide good examples when they're all actively destroyed.

[–] beejboytyson 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Cuba. Cuba has the most educated population in North America, more doctors per capita then almost any other nation. The only reason they're struggling is because America's embargo. They want stuff too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There is a Brazilian right-winger moron that said this golden statement: "there is only three things that works in Cuba: Security, Education and Healthcare".

For him that's a bad thing btw.

[–] eatCasserole 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Mostly this, although Vietnam is doing quite well, especially considering their circumstances.

Cuba is also really interesting...not thriving, to be sure, but you have to end the US blockade before you blame them for their own hardships. And in spite of everything, they have democracy like we've never seen in the west.

Edit: also what beejboytyson said about Cuba.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The US dropped more napalm, and bombs, and agent orange on vietnam (a comparatively small country) than it did during all of WW2. Lots of its people are still suffering from this atrocity.

[–] eatCasserole 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Sadly true. And most people aren't aware that they did pretty much the same thing to Laos, who they weren't even at war with. They just carpet bombed the whole country, "just in case."

Fuck the USA. They're literally the evil empire from star wars.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

It's so funny that george lucas was like: "the rebels are the vietnamese communists, and the empire is the USA (its soldiers the storm troopers)" and somehow a lot of modern star wars fans are extremely pro-US, and never connect the dots.

IMO the biggest critique of star wars, its that lucas didn't focus at all on the lives of the stormtruppen, and force its audience in the imperial core to look in the mirror, at their values, their chauvinist culture, their pro-war ideology and news media.

Still gotta keep blaming the rebels for all the world's problems.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If you ever been to a commune where people share food, resources, bills. They go under the radar.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Fell for this one before, Mr. Manson.

There was a reality TV show about communes and stuff. Granted it's reality TV but aside from the bad ones media doesn't cover them very much. Long story short, it really didn't do a good job of saying communism-good.

I think the best examples might be like Cuba having universal health care or something but ny experience was with a michael moore doc so it's kinda sketch to begin.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Communes have almost nothing to do with communism. When you are living in a capitalist world and beholden to a capitalist economy, you are not suddenly experiencing communism just because you live on a collective farm. A commune is not "doing communism," not because they are doing something wrong or anything, but because it simply doesn't work like that. In a simple definition of communism, the workers own the means of production. The people living on a commune within capitalism still do not own the means of production, they still exist almost entirely at the whims of the broader capitalist economic structure.

Also, it's just ridiculous to expect a tiny microcosm of any system to represent how sound that system is if it were to be scaled up. Especially when that microcosm is inside of another structure that will actively stamp it out of existence if it threatens to grow. Trying to build a commune within a capitalist country is like trying to build a town at the bottom of the ocean. Everything beyond the limits of your project is hostile to its existence simply as a matter of the surrounding natural forces. But just because it's extremely hard to build a town at the bottom of the ocean, and when it was tried it ended in failure, doesn't mean that towns in general are destined to fail. In an appropriate environment they can and do thrive.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Excellent post. To add, Engels does a great refutation of these utopian socialist / commune projects, in Socialism, utopian and scientific.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Open source software is like communism. Held in commons, free to use, contribute to, and benefit from.

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[–] samus12345 6 points 3 weeks ago (23 children)

Large-scale, actual communism with no authoritarianism? Not that I'm aware of. It's hard to implement true communism effectively on a large scale because most people have to care enough about others to willingly contribute for it to work.

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