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Honda U.S. Execs Say Most Drivers Don’t Want EVs Yet (insideevs.com)
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Honda has pledged to invest $64 billion to develop seven bespoke electric vehicles, which it plans to launch by 2030 on its way to selling only EVs and fuel-cell vehicles after 2040. However, there doesn’t seem to be a consensus within the company that there is enough demand for EVs, which is reflected in its limited selection of available battery-powered models.

This is true for Japan’s home market but also for North America, where Honda sells two vehicles (the Prologue and the Acura ZDX), both of which are made by General Motors on the Ultium platform. Whenever Honda’s top executives come out to speak about selling fully electric vehicles, it always sounds like a mixed message that, in part, reaffirms the brand’s commitment to electrification while also suggesting it’s not yet convinced this is the way.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

In my case, he's only half right:

I don't want any new car at all. They're all mobile surveillance platforms, snooping on everything their drivers do and reporting to the mothership, who in turn "monetizes" their data and does god know what else with it.

Well fuck that - be the surveillance machine equipped with an ICE or an electric motor. Big Data-riddled modern cars is the reason why I ride the bus.

[–] BombOmOm 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Same. I basically want my 2010s car, but with an electric engine (possibly a plug-in hybrid, not fully decided). But, no, modern cars will require me to do things like research how to disconnect the modem so the damn thing isn't selling my driving data and find one that doesn't require me to use the touch screen while fucking driving. So instead, I'm just continuing to drive my car and hoping legislation or a manufacturer figures this shit out.

Give me a basic car, but with an electric engine. That's what I want.

[–] mesamunefire 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yep same. I just want my old honda civic with a battery. Thats it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Then get a Light Electric Vehicule, you may not go as fast and as far as your car but it might be enough for 90% of daily travels

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Toyota does at least offer you the ability to completely disable data collection. Once their remote start/charge/climate control etc for free ran out, I disabled data collection and deleted the app off my phone.

[–] barsquid 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can physically disable it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No but Toyota has a privacy website where you can opt out of all data collection for the vehicle. They warn you that you lose the ability to track the vehicle if it is stolen too, which sucks, but they won't let you keep that and opt out of everything else so I just opted out of the entire package.

[–] barsquid 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dang. I'd never be able to trust logging in to a website in order to opt out of data collection on my own hardware. I hope they are honoring that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Given that they won't even track the car for theft purposes past that, I am fairly certain they are.

I suppose you could always just try and find the SIM card and remove it too…