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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But by default the comms aren't end-to-end encrypted. Isn't desiderable that criminals use telegram rather than signal?

[–] NateNate60 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Not being end-to-end encrypted is meaningless to law enforcement if Telegram refuses to turn over the chat contents (which they do). Law enforcement can't just eavesdrop on the conversation without Telegram's cooperation. The chat contents are still secured by TLS from the user's device to the Telegram servers.

Smart professional criminals rarely use Telegram for this stuff anyway. There's WhatsApp and plenty of other popular platforms of end-to-end encrypted

[–] amw3i7dwgoblinlabs 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

'Smart criminals use WhatsApp' Did u forget the /s flag?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's perfect for criminal use! Unbreakable encryption between two parties! 100% safe, believe me.

IMHO not a coincidence that the app constantly prompts to save unencrypted backups to Google drive for "safety"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Smart criminal use Briar or Signal, not WhatsApp, lol, which totally has a backdoor for the government.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

if Telegram refuses to turn over the chat contents (which they do)

Source?

Law enforcement can't just eavesdrop on the conversation without Telegram's cooperation

Why do you think Roskomnadzor gave up their blockage plans in 2018? And then made their own official government channels? "It's technically difficult for us" has never stopped Roskomnadzor before.

[–] NateNate60 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The source is this article.

It's not just "technically difficult" to eavesdrop. Properly implemented, it's computationally impossible to eavesdrop on a connection secured with TLS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The source is this article.

There's nothing in the article that says they refuse to disclose chat contents. In my own experience they often do so when receiving a proper request from governments, providing at least the last 24 hours of messages.

My comment regarding Roskomnadzor has nothing to do with encryption, but rather Telegram cooperates with them, and that's why they stopped trying to block the platform. A little bit of reading comprehension would do you wonders.

[–] NateNate60 1 points 2 months ago

I thought I was commenting on a different post. Sorry about that