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[–] TheDemonBuer 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

In the document, Democrats recommit to their support for Israel in the fight against Hamas, as well as their backing of a two-state solution that “upholds the right of Palestinians to live in freedom and security in a viable state of their own.”

Where is the Palestinian state supposed be? In the territories where Israel has already built illegal settlements, or the territories where Israel will build illegal settlements?

Look, the Palestinian people are fucked. They just are. The process of replacing British Mandate Palestine with the state of Israel has long since been set into motion, and it's unlikely to be stopped. Any idea that there can be both a Palestine and an Israel state is nonsense, espoused by people who are either foolish or being disingenuous. The existence of Israel and the existence of Palestine are two mutually exclusive prospects. It is one or the other, it's as simple as that, and the Palestinians simply don't have the military capability to defeat the Israelis. That's large in part because Israel has backing from the United States, the world's dominant military super power. For numerous complex reasons, the US chose to support Israel in this conflict. I don't like it, I wish the US had remained neutral, but that's just not what happened.

I'm really not sure what else the Democrats could do. If the Democrats were to come out and publicly state what I just said, true though it may be, they would be crucified by Americans who still foolishly believe that there can be an independent Palestinian state. Do the Palestinians deserve to have their own state? I believe they do. I believe every group of people deserves autonomy and independence. But, it doesn't always happen. In fact, it often doesn't. It's just not possible for the entirety of the territory once known as British Mandate Palestine to be both Israel and Palestine, it must be one or the other. Sure, the territory could be divided, but is either side really willing to accept such a compromise at this point? When Palestinians chant, "from the river to the sea," they are not advocating for a two state solution. And we know Israel doesn't actually want a two state solution, because they continue to encroach further and further into Palestinian territory. I don't think the Palestinians want Israel to exist any more than the Israelis want Palestine to exist. This is a zero sum game, and Palestine is going to lose because Israel has support from the US. It's not fair, but that's the way it is.

If leftists or progressives want to help the Palestinian people, the best thing they can do is help any Palestinians who want to, relocate to the United States. That doesn't give the Palestinian people autonomy or independence, but it will save many Palestinian lives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

This is the best take on the subject, however much it sucks. The situation is completely fucked and has been for decades. The only thing not mentioned - especially in the context of hopes of a full blown arms embargo - is that since 2008 the US is legally obligated to supply Israel with enough arms to maintain a “qualitative military edge” against all enemies, both state and non-state actors.^[1]