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My standing question about whether you just don’t care that much about who becomes president is important. It’d mostly settle your overall feelings on the subject. But if you don’t wanna answer me anymore, then that’s fine.
What I don’t want is for you to leave this thread off on a non-answer.
You have a right to vote for whoever you want, just like I have a right to ask you “why?”. And you have a right to stop engaging if you don’t want to talk to me anymore. But if you continue engaging, without answering, then I have a right to ask again: “why?”.
This is not a good faith statement to make in a political discussion. If you believe there is absolutely zero way you can be swayed into a different point of view, then you shouldn’t try to sway people yourself.
Perhaps you’re not trying to sway people on anything here, but then…why post to c/politics about Stein to begin with? What’s the point of that if you’re not trying to at least “move the needle” on public perception of Stein?
Because it's political news and this is a political news community. DId you think that the only political news allowed here was pro-democrat news? That's actually not the case. This is an inclusive political news sub.
And I am posting political news articles to a political news sub. That's how that works.
You do realize that I'm not writing the articles, right? They are from news organizations posting facts about what is happening. And this is a political news Lemmy community.
Also, I have posted articles here that are about different political parties, not just the Green Party.
Did you even realize that I don't only post Jill Stein articles to this community?
And do you realize I created and mod a sub about MANY different third parties? One is even called "Third Party News." In addition one about the Green Party and one about Socialist parties?
I feel you have a narrative in your head about me, and you are waiting for some "gotcha!" moment. But that's not going to happen.
This isn’t just a place for political news, though. It’s a place to talk about political news, and about the politics surrounding that political news. That’s what I’m trying to do now.
Why go into the comment thread at all if all you care about is sharing political news? The engagement around that news matters, does it not? Otherwise Lemmy wouldn’t even have a comment section to begin with.
How does any of that matter right now? You said in this thread that Jill Stein is your absolute most preferred candidate. That’s all I really care to address right now.
And that doesn't mean I have to answer every single little question. Do you ask these questions in every article that is posted about Harris? Or are you letting your bias show because you are so desperate for Trump not to win?
Because some comments I reply to. Some I don't. I get to pick which ones.
You can do the same thing when you post articles.
Because you were implying that I was trying to "sway" people to vote for Stein. And that's not the case. I have posted about other candidates as well.
Dude, I'm not voting for Harris. But I support you voting for her if that's what you want. Move on.
No I don’t ask these questions on Harris posts because Harris isn’t a third-party candidate.
And yes, I would very much like it if Trump doesn’t win. Do you not care if Trump wins, given his environmental policy, and given that the candidate you do support is the pick of the Green Party, aka the pro-environmental policy pick?
Yes, and you’ve chosen to reply to many comments from people who clearly disagree with you. why do that at all, if not that you want to move a needle on something?
I asked if you were trying to sway people on “anything” here. And I see posting about Stein as you have as wanting to move the needle on public perception of Stein, like posting about any other 3rd party candidate would be an effort to move the needle on the concept of voting third-party. You asserted that you posted about other third party candidates too, so I’ll ask directly: are you not trying to sway people to vote third-party, given that you post about third party candidates and then defend third party candidates in comment threads?
Why tell me to move on when you could simply stop replying?
I am not. I am merely posting articles that I am interested in to a political news community. There is not deep-hidden agenda here. You act as if I have some obligation to explain my reasoning to you. I do not.
I'm voting for Jill Stein. I don't care if you want to know more. I've answered what I've answered. Move on.
Actually I don't feel you will move on, you'll keep asking the same things and I'll keep answering the same things. But I'm not voting for your candidate. Do you understand that? Do you understand that I don't have to tell you why? I'm not afraid of Trump OR Harris. And I'm still not voting for either one. And I don't have to give any more explanation. Do you understand that?
I won't be baited into blowing up. I'm not angry. Nor do I even care. I'm not voting for your candidate and I find it hilarious that you can't seem to accept that and want to know why.
And guess what? About half the country isn't voting for your candidate. Not everyone agrees with you, nor do they have to agree with you. Nor do they have to explain their reasons do you.
And as for your next variation of a question of why I won't answer you: I don't want to and I don't have to. And that's ok.
But then again, why do you engage in discussions with people who disagree with you if to your admission all you care about is sharing articles?
Again, why tell me to move on when you could simply stop replying?
Idk man, this is a pretty long reply from someone who’s not been baited into blowing up
So you have no answers to my questions then?
And I've already told you that I don't care about your question and that I don't have to answer. You could simply stop asking.
Wow, sounds like maybe you are implying that you were baiting me. Were you?
Alas, if you look at my replies, brevity has never been a strong suite and most of my replies are long-winded, so unfortunately for you, that's no indication that I am angry. Because I'm not.
I am under no obligation to answer anything. Because when you first replied, you seemed friendly and reasonable. Now you seem biased and seem like you are trying to bait me. Which won't happen. Because I'm still not gonna vote for your candidate.
And since most of the readers here are already overwhelmingly pro-Harris, you haven't changed anyone's mind. There is no "gotcha" moment. And I'm not gonna vote for Harris. Understand?
But you could simply stop replying though
I was always planning on having a good faith conversation with you until you said “I cannot be swayed” while replying to people who disagree with you with defenses. And then not answering my question of “Then why do you do that?”.
That’s a bad-faith thing to do.
So you replied to me because I seemed friendly and reasonable, but I was still on the side of “I think what you’re doing is not good for either of us”, so you were trying to engage with me and move my needle a little towards your side of the argument?
In other words, you try to…sway me? B/c fyi, there’s nothing wrong with that. You make swaying out to be this bad thing that bullies do, but it’s not. Moving needles doesn’t mean bullying people into feeling a certain way, it means coming closer to understanding one another, and I take joy in doing that.
I don’t take quite as much joy in a person who doesn’t come to a table on a good-faith basis.
That’s my secret, dude, I’m not looking for a “gotcha”. I was just looking to understand you a little better. Maybe you’d poke some holes in my preconceptions, maybe I’d poke some holes in yours.
With that said, I’ll ask again:
Have you researched Agenda 47, and if so, what are your thoughts on it?
Why do you support the Green Party Candidate as your far-and-away favorite pick while not seeming to care about Trump’s environmental policy?
Why do you reply to people who disagree with you if you’re allegedly not trying to sway them and are allegedly only here to share articles?
Why do you keep avoiding the above 3 questions?
But you could simply stop asking though
I'm not trying to engage you at all. I don't care what you think. I support your right to your opinion. As I have a right to mine. And I'm not going to vote for your candidate.
I don't know you or care if you want to understand me. I've stated my positions. That's it.
I'm not avoiding anything. I just don't care about your questions enough to answer. As is my right. I am under no obligation to answer anything you ask if I don't care to.
Yeah but, you’re under no obligation to reply saying you’re not gonna answer my questions either.
Just seems like a lotta work for a person to reply to a buncha comments disagreeing with them, just to say “yeah well you’re not gonna change my mind”.
Your response?
I've answered the questions that I wanted to answer. You should accept it and move on. And I'm still not gonna for for your candidate.
Okay but, like, why those questions and not the others?
This reminds me of having a date with a chick, not wanting to see her again, and then she doesn't stop texting and asking why.
I'm just not that into you.
Stop, or I block you. Ok? We cool?
We’re cool.
I do have 3 lingering questions though:
Have you researched Agenda 47, and if so, what are your thoughts on it?
Why do you support the Green Party Candidate as your far-and-away favorite pick while not seeming to care about Trump’s environmental policy?
Why do you reply to people who disagree with you if you’re allegedly not trying to sway them and are allegedly only here to share articles?
Blocking you because you just can't take a hint. I am not voting for your candidate. I don't care about your fear of Trump. I don't care about Agenda 47. I don't care about your questions. I'm blocking you because you don't know when to stop. :) So have fun!
And I'm still not gonna vote for you Harris. Even tho that makes you really really mad. And I am very happy to not see your reply cuz you're blocked. :)
Okay, but if/when you see this, I still have 3 questions:
Have you researched Agenda 47, and if so, what are your thoughts on it?
Why do you support the Green Party candidate as your far-and-away favorite pick while not seeming to care about a Trump presidency, given his environmental policy?
Why do you reply to people who disagree with you if you’re allegedly not trying to sway them and are allegedly only here to share articles?
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You actually got them to block you, I respect it. I thought they were physically incapable of giving someone else the last word. I gave up way earlier than you when I realized they were just addicted to arguing. I agree that they don't seem intended to engage in good-faith discussions, but so far I guess by the letter of the law they've managed to skirt the community rules.
Thanks, yeah I guess the trick is to politely ask normal, reasonable questions that a good-faith party would answer honestly. Who’d have thunk it xD
Tbh if the guy/troll/whatever had answered the first two questions earlier on, depending on the answers I prolly would’ve just backed off, “oh well, agree to disagree” style.
Him being weirdly “I don’t have to answer that..but I have to tell you that I won’t answer” was funny so I went with it.
Well done. I don't think anyone else has cornered them as well as that, most get exasperated at the irrelevant walls of text talking about abstract merits of voting rights when the point was something completely different.
Still can't wrap my head around whether it's a political motivation or just fishing for arguments.