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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
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I'm torn on this too, I think Torres et consortes are dignifying these idiots way too much by highlighting their views and in some ways taking them seriosuly. It's an inadvertent form of critihype. Wholesale ridicule is the order of the day! On the other hand, before the Scientology papers reveal (god that was so long ago) the CoS was seen as weird but legitimate. When more and more people discovered Xenu, the Sea Org, and how people could be designated "unpersons", the view slwoly shifted.
I guess both serious criticism and pointing and laughing are needed.
quite
the fundamental requirement of a counter-argument/-movement/-whatever is that one has to show that there are some that seriously believe these things, as absurd as they may be
the mockery can still happen separately as well (and always should, imo), but for the "but why should we listen to you" dimension the former is needed too
I honestly thought that when they published an article about Yud in Times Magazine last year would be that moment. It should have had enough reach to trigger something, at least, and it was crazy enough as well. It was certainly the moment where I thought, holy shit, the weirdos have hit mainstream.
i too wish these bozos were not important to know about, but Eliezer's there advocating air strikes on Chinese data centres in Time