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Algerian Imane Khelif wins boxing gold medal after her gender was wrongly questioned
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Except even if they had regulations it would not have changed anything since she is a ciswoman
Imagine a corrupt state really wants gold. Why wouldn't they register a whole batch of males as female (or duplicate register as both sexes) wait 20 years then clean up the women's events?
so, the heart of your argument itself is sexist. Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he's a man. Athletes at this level are insanely talented and fit. Some are even genetic anomalies, which explain why they can be so good at their sport. Simone biles is really small, which is why she's so good at flipping.
A female boxer at this level would decimate a male boxer who isn't genetically selected for and who hasn't trained his whole life to get to that level. Being male doesn't make one good at sports.
On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there's no money involved for the winner, requiring several hundred people to be the athletes who might be good enough to go to the event, boatloads of money to train them, and even then, they might get one through the event if the athlete isn't injured. All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal?
No. Women should always have the option to compete against men, (and prove they are better), if they chose to. But just look at world records if you need concrete proof that males have an advantage.
Many sports there is no physical advantage and some (e.g. climbing) women have the advantage.
Not a single event, this could be done for multiple events, even without the athlete's knowledge. For the first decade only a few record keepers need to be in the conspiracy.
Why? You should ask cold war Russia.
What exactly do you think the Soviet Union achieved by winning a bunch of medals?
The person you are responding seems uninformed on the topic of Imane and in spreading misinform.
However, Russia does have a sordid history messing with international sports. Look up all the scandals in figure skating and also last year Olympics. I'm not sure why they do it. I think it has to do with projecting power on the world stage.
I'm steering clear of the topic of Imane.
No you aren't. You're arguing about trans women athletes competing in the Olympics against cis women in a thread specifically about Imane.
I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners.
No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event.
"The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport"
These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries.
So what?
Propaganda and ideological superiority of communism.
Cold war rivalry. Proxy battle.
National pride and unity.
International prestige.
So nothing important then.
Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Algeria is just desperate for international prestige. It will definitely do something or other.
Have I? Strange. I wasn't asked that question.
I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif."
My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated.
Bullshit.
What do you think they would achieve in any practical way by winning a bunch of gold medals?
It's the Olympics, not trade negotiations.
It's estimated that the value of a gold medal is around $1 million in terms of economic impact, considering factors like increased tourism, sponsorship, and national pride.
That's a pathetically tiny amount of capital for a state.
You are asking about the total benefits of sending athletes to the Olympics, not the statistical weighing of gold medals in a regression model.
Please do provide actual evidence for that claim. Specifically for a gold medal in women's boxing.
I found that statistic on Bing. You can too.
I'm not specifically discussing women's boxing.
Yes, you can find all kinds of fake statistics on Bing. That's how the internet works. Let's see the source of yours.
What the the absolute fuck are you talking about? This is some deranged paranoid nonsense.
Search the soviet unions athletic history for examples.
We should expect Rules and regulations regarding a cis woman. The Olympic committee should either allow them as is or lay out specific rules. Decisions cannot be adhoc.
You realize that she's a cis woman, right? Right?
Or did you take the word from people on YouTube who talk about everything in a certain way?
It's so fucking ridiculous to me that people are suggesting fucking Algeria has a trans athlete. Where next, Saudi Arabia?
They have a specific rule: if your birth certificate and passport say you're a woman, you get to compete as one.
What rule do you think they should be using?