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Elon Musk says Tesla is an AI company now. Here’s how plausible that is. (arstechnica.com)

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[–] darganon 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, their powerwall, and the Mega pack. Also yes, they brand themselves as an energy company. They make really, really big batteries. They also operate superchargers, which if you have experience with electric vehicles are streets ahead of any other charging networks.

https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/powerwall/virtual-power-plant

And no, they don't sell FSD for other cars, but it's still an AI product they are selling to people for money, right now. Maybe in the future they'll license it out to other people, but that's pure speculation on my part.

I'm not sure if you can buy their car batteries individually, haven't looked into it, although I have looked into buying a used one and using that as a power wall, as it would be cheaper for shitloads of storage.

I don't like Musk either, but you're willfully ignoring quite a lot of what Tesla does and has accomplished because of their mouthpiece. Talking about it requires nuance because they have done a tremendous amount of good, while making some suboptimal changes.

[–] breadsmasher 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And you are missing the nuance of musk literally saying “We are an AI company now”.

Quoting musk from the article

"We are an AI, robotics company; if you value us otherwise, the right answer is impossible to the questions being asked," Musk told investors and journalists in April

Pertinent point if you value us otherwise - if you value them as a car company, battery company, solar company, energy company the right answer is impossible to the questions being asked

Literally his words. You are arguing to add nuance that musk literally stated wasnt there.

He is saying “Tesla is an AI and robotics company” and to not value them any other way. I don’t understand how to make this any clearer.

[–] darganon 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is what I'm talking about, that was from the investor call, which you didn't read the transcript to, and have a cherry picked paraphrase.

I can't do the fancy formatting, but here's the quote:

I mean, I don't know what our competitors can do, except we've done relatively better than they have because if you look at the drop in our competitors in China sales versus our drop in sales, our drop was less than theirs. So, we're doing well. But I think Cathie Wood said it best. Like really, we should be thought of as an AI or robotics company.

If you value Tesla as just like an auto company, you just have to -- fundamentally, it's just the wrong framework and if you ask the wrong question, then the right answer is impossible. So, I mean, if somebody doesn't believe Tesla is going to solve autonomy, I think they should not be an investor in the company. Like that is, but we will and we are and then you have a car that goes from 10 hours of use a week, like an hour and a half a day to probably 50%, but it costs the same.

Here's the question he was answering:

OK. My follow-up, Elon, on future products. If you had nailed execution, assuming that you nail execution on your next-gen cheaper vehicles, more aggressive giga castings, I don't want to say one piece, but getting closer to, say, one-piece structural pack, unboxed, 300-mile range, $25,000 price point, putting aside robotaxi, those features unique to you. How long would it take your best Chinese competitors to copy a cheaper and better vehicle that you could offer a couple of years from now? How long would it take your best Chinese competitors to copy that? Thanks.

So for your nuance, I see something along the lines of "Our value isn't in simply the vehicles, it's in the FSD/robotaxi concept, so speculating on someone copying our car it won't eat into our business because autonomous driving will be the best of everything."

Now, I don't agree with all of that, but get some nuance in your life.

[–] breadsmasher 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Again, you are putting meaning and assumptions that aren’t there.

[–] darganon 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

See, you are incapable of nuance.

Also, you said he "literally" said something twice that is plain wrong. Enjoy your alternate reality.

[–] breadsmasher 1 points 4 months ago

If you want to read into things and be “well achtually”, thats your prerogative. Just like you can fall back onto personal attacks and demanding your view is the “nuanced” view.

Hope you have the day you deserve:)