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[–] PugJesus 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean, it’s kind of like the concept of the benevolent dictator.

…benevolent to whom?

My favorite example of the flaw in this thinking is Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

An incredibly brilliant, driven, and ruthless man. Wildly popular, unmatched power, friendless workaholic, insane charisma, genuine ideological dedication, incredibly well-read, deeply involved with coordinating with experts on every facet of society, cult of personality, the works. And though he could do great things for Turkiye, he still could not fundamentally change its power structures without undermining his own power - but if he undermined his own power, he could not guarantee that the power structures would change to his liking.

It's a fundamental flaw in the accumulation of power in a single institution (such as a strongman/dictator/vanguard party/etc). Accumulating power causes society to form around the actual locus of power, regardless of how that power tries to redirect society.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is there any good ideas on a plausible way to manage power? The fundamental laws governing power, politics, wealth etc seem to always lead to negative outcomes.

Like state socialism led to the same complete concentration of economic power in the hands of the few as late stage capitalism is doing now. But I've never heard of any plan to address this.

One idea would be to randomly select representatives, bypassing filters that select for those who are best at accumulating power at the expense of anything else. Randocracy?

Or are we just out of good ideas?

[–] PugJesus 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is there any good ideas on a plausible way to manage power? The fundamental laws governing power, politics, wealth etc seem to always lead to negative outcomes.

Like state socialism led to the same complete concentration of economic power in the hands of the few as late stage capitalism is doing now. But I’ve never heard of any plan to address this.

Generally, the suggestion is either "Separation of powers" (ensuring that each power-hungry institution has a self-interest in keeping the other power hungry groups from getting too powerful) or decentralization of power (a la anarchists). Both have strengths and weaknesses. State socialism in most polities has only been attempted with very... authoritarian regimes with no real interest in separation of powers (and certainly not in decentralization), so there's some ambiguity as to whether it would work out better in a legitimately democratic polity.

One idea would be to randomly select representatives, bypassing filters that select for those who are best at accumulating power at the expense of anything else. Randocracy?

Sortition, that's called. The ancient Athenians used it for some offices.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Sortition

Oh thanks! It seems a lot of the arguments agree with what I was speculating. I find it suspicious that you hear so little about this idea.

Of course none of that would work with the abysmal current state of news media.