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[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 months ago (3 children)

That's why I hate the term AI. Say it is a predictive llm or a pattern recognition model.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Say it is a predictive llm

According to the paper cited by the article OP posted, there is no LLM in the model. If I read it correctly, the paper says that it uses PyTorch's implementation of ResNet18, a deep convolutional neural network that isn't specifically designed to work on text. So this term would be inaccurate.

or a pattern recognition model.

Much better term IMO, especially since it uses a convolutional network. But since the article is a news publication, not a serious academic paper, the author knows the term "AI" gets clicks and positive impressions (which is what their job actually is) and we wouldn't be here talking about it.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That performance curve seems terrible for any practical use.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

Yeah that's an unacceptably low ROC curve for a medical usecase

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Good catch!

[–] FierySpectre 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, this is very much an application of AI... Having more examples of recent AI development that aren't 'chatgpt'(/transformers-based) is probably a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Op is not saying this isn't using the techniques associated with the term AI. They're saying that the term AI is misleading, broad, and generally not desirable in a technical publication.

[–] FierySpectre 6 points 3 months ago

Op is not saying this isn't using the techniques associated with the term AI.

Correct, also not what I was replying about. I said that using AI in the headline here is very much correct. It is after all a paper using AI to detect stuff.

[–] steventhedev 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The correct term is "Computational Statistics"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Stop calling it that, you're scaring the venture capital

[–] 0laura -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

it's a good term, it refers to lots of thinks. there are many terms like that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

it refers to lots of thinks

So it's a bad term.

[–] 0laura 1 points 3 months ago

the word program refers to even more things and no one says it's a bad word.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's literally the name of the field of study. Chances are this uses the same thing as LLMs. Aka a neutral network, which are some of the oldest AIs around.

It refers to anything that simulates intelligence. They are using the correct word. People just misunderstand it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If people consistently misunderstand it, it's a bad term for communicating the concept.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's the correct term though.

It's like when people get confused about what a scientific theory is. We still call it the theory of gravity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

The problem is that it refers to so many and constantly changing things that it doesn't refer to anything specific in the end. You can replace the word "AI" in any sentence with the word "magic" and it basically says the same thing...