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Dutch beach volleyball player Steven van de Velde, who served time in prison after he was convicted of raping a 12-year-old girl, won his second match at the Paris Olympics and received an even harsher reaction from the crowd on Wednesday than for his first match.

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[–] Jaderick -4 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I don’t think that guy’s really complaining about the booing, I think he’s trying to separate the rapist from the other competitors.

I don’t know the case, and I’m very surprised the Netherlands let this guy compete for them, but he is and apparently served prison time (not as much as he probably should’ve). If he’s already served a prison sentence, then the Netherlands government probably believes he has been punished for the crime and is “rehabilited”. If he’s served time, double jeopardy applies to any punishment he would receive after the fact (IIRC).

I don’t know the rapist and I don’t care about him, I’d hope he’s incredibly remorseful and I’m not defending what he did, but like the OP was driving at; why are the actions of the rapist POS who served prison time tainting the other athletes competing for their own interests / country that legally posits the guy has been punished for his actions? Imagine being proud of your work and being booed because of the previous unrelated actions of a coworker you may or may not like.

If murderers are able to serve their prison sentence and be freed after their crime and feel remorse for their actions etc., at what point in time does someone stop being punished for their previous actions? I’m bringing up the rhetorical question in response to the common vitriol in comments surrounding sex crimes that bleeds onto anyone involved.

Unless you believe in the death penalty and that the rapist deserved to die for his actions by the hands of his government, what does it take for everyone to move forward? I ask because you’re positing the other Netherland’s athlete is essentially guilty because he didn’t risk his Olympic ambitions and refuse to play with the rapist who legally served his sentence.

How long he should’ve been in prison is another debate.

[–] BottleOfAlkahest 13 points 4 months ago (6 children)

That's not how double Double Jeopardy works (Netherlands also has a different name for it). It prevents you from being tried twice for a crime for which you've been acquitted/convicted. It does not prevent a country from refusing to have you represent them on the world stage.

[–] Jaderick -5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/double_jeopardy#:~:text=The%20Double%20Jeopardy%20Clause%20in,for%20substantially%20the%20same%20crime.

From the US, but the philosophical reasoning still applies.

You misunderstand the point. The Netherlands did not stop him from competing for them, presumably because he’s served his time for the crime by their standards.

That’s your problem with the Netherland’s Olympic committee then, not the other athletes - the whole point of the post.

[–] BottleOfAlkahest 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What point am I misunderstanding? You claimed double jeopardy applies. It does not. Not representing your country in the Olympics does not count as an official punishment for the same act.

[–] Jaderick 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The point is he was punished and likely contributed to him not being barred from Olympic participation. Ignore the double jeopardy statement then, engage with the actual discussion about the non rapist.

[–] BottleOfAlkahest 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you think the 19 year old having sex repeadly with a 13 year old is a "non rapist" then that says a lot about you and none of it good.

[–] Jaderick 1 points 3 months ago

You clearly cannot read lmao

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