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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Yep, which is why over the course of history Marxism took hold of the Socialist movement, rather than previous Utopian Socialists who believed they could simply "convince people" of Socialism being better, and reality would form around that, like the Owenites.

Marx added that the ideas people have come from their Material Conditions, which is a core concept to Dialectical Materialism.

[–] psion1369 5 points 3 months ago (6 children)

So what you are saying, in plenty of words, is that because the dude has the material privileges he thinks that the world has the same access to them too?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Not quite. That's one part of it, but not necessarily.

People hold ideas based on the physical reality they experience. People who grow up in wealthy environments are more accepting of worldviews that either justify or rationalize this, ie the myth of "meritocracy." They can believe that others do not enjoy the same access, but can believe that hard work can get anyone where they are, as an example.

This has further implications. Fascism, for example, isn't spread because it's an "appealing idea," but as a response to decay of Capitalism, typically. Anlyzing the mechanics of why certain types of ideas become broadly accepted based on change in material reality is useful for preventing dangerous ideas as well.

[–] AnalogyAddict 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The concept of noblesse oblige really needs to be restored and expanded. Most of us have advantages we don't understand. It's why charity and compassion is so important.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Noblesse oblige is unnecessary if you work to eradicate Class society in the first place. Convincing Capitalists to work against the forces of Profit to be nicer people will never work, that's why Utopian Socialists all failed.

[–] AnalogyAddict 1 points 3 months ago

Eradicating class will never work, either.

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