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Blinken says US has 'serious concerns' about announced result of Venezuelan election
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this post was submitted on 29 Jul 2024
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Honestly, it's an oversimplified view on reality. The US is incredibly good and incredibly bad. Just like most countries.
The argument over which country is better is like arguing philosophy. The argument has merit in lifting up both sides. But to say America is bad is sophmoric at best. It comes across like a petulant child.
I’m willing to bet you can’t tell me a single good thing that the US has done that I’ve heard of that happened within the last 30 years.
Well that kind of defeats the point doesn't it? If you're so far within a rabbithole of politics that you never hear anything positive about the U.S. then that's on you.
Just one example out of many, the Biden administration stopped a fascist coup in Brazil and protected the democratic legitimacy of the socialist who won the election.
I get my news from pretty diverse sources, so it shouldn’t be that hard. If the US is so incredibly good then it would be relatively easy to point to a recent event or something. Jog my memory on some incredible good that I’ve forgotten.
As for what you linked, I’ve never heard of that one, also never even heard of that organisation. It’s also pay-walled, so I couldn’t even read it if I wanted to.
Diversity of sources almost doesn't matter, quality does, you could watch a hundred different Trumpist YT channels, Fox, and OAN, and you're not going to know basically anything factual because all of those sources are trash. The same could easily be said for questionable left wing sources too.
It's one of the most reputable foreign policy publications in the U.S, founded to give an academic counterweight to government statements during the Vietnam War.
It's not hard to get past paywalls: https://archive.ph/rOXvz
The prompt was to tell me a good thing that I had heard of. I haven’t heard of this. I am European, left-wing, and I’ve been exposed to pretty much everything that one would find in the mainstream news or left-leaning news sites. I’m genuinely open to reconsidering my views here, all you need is one positive thing I’ve heard of in the last 30 years.
I believe I already gave you an example? I explained the source the example was from, and gave a link that got past the paywall.
https://archive.ph/rOXvz
There's the non-paywalled link again, I guess.
Once again, I told you, I have never heard of this. Is it literally the only thing you can think of? Doesn’t sound that incredibly good to me.
Your line of reasoning is like saying Igbo, Malayalam, or Algonguian doesn't exist because you haven't heard of them.
I notice you’re criticising my reasoning rather than providing an example of a good thing the US has done. I wonder why that could be? If I was so unreasonable it would be easy to inundate me, just flood me with half a dozen links of news stories of the United States providing homes to homeless people, or taking a stand against genocide, or cancelling subsidies for fossil fuels. No one is doing that.
Here's the U.S. investing to create affordable housing in regions across the world.
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Here's the U.S. taking a stand against a genocide.
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Here's the U.S. trying to end fossil fuel subsidies.
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Because you started with the precondition that any answer had to be one you had heard of, which is preposterous, how are we supposed to know what you've heard of? From the fact that all of the rhetorical questions you asked could've been answered with a Google search, it seems you've only ever heard of or paid attention to the U.S. doing bad things, which makes finding a good example that you've heard of a non-starter.
This is my fucking point. The US is a nation of big talk going nowhere. Biden talking about how much he wants to end subsidies but it doesn’t fucking happen. Blinken denounces genocide then does fuck all about it. Continues to funnel weapons and money to Apartheid Israel.
Literally the only article you linked which seems like something happened was US finding for housing in Africa which sounds nice and all, but y’all continue to exploit Africa way fucking more than you contribute.
The original comment was that America does incredible good and incredible bad. I know about the bad. I want to hear about the good. But I also don’t want to be inundated with absolute trash that went nowhere. That’s why I specified something that I heard about. Because otherwise you just get stuff like, “oh, they gave $20 to an orphan in Syria, once.”
If someone is incredibly good then it should be as easy to dig up evidence of their good as it is to dig up evidence of their evil.
I’m sorry you can’t abide criticism of your shit-tier, racist, colonialist, genocide supporting, white-supremacist hellhole. Have fun with dealing with the tide of fascism.
So you blame the entire nation for the actions of a few fascists in Congress who are still addicted to their oil? Maybe tell us to elect more Democrats who will end subsidies, instead of blaming the ones trying to fix it.
Is how I know you didn't read much other than the headlines from those articles, or are you saying that millions of dollars to build housing for refugees in Armenia is nothing? Are you saying the money given to rebuild Ukraine was nothing? Are you saying the houses built and diseases eradicated in Africa were nothing? Are you saying the condemnation of genocide in Myanmar, Xinjiang, and Bosnia and the actions taken against those regimes was nothing? I would generally agree U.S. corporations tend to exploit the global south (along with corporations from China, Russia, and any rich nation), but that in no way negates the actions by the U.S. government to alleviate suffering in the global south, the most powerful country in the world isn't a monolith.
Is definitely the attitude that fellow humans should have with each other towards the global rise of fascists. /s
Welp, you tried
Dude, do you think I’m criticising the American people? I’m not. You are victims of the US more than you’re responsible for their actions. But unless and until you can accept the fact that the nation you live in is a force for evil, you will never, ever be able to change it. That’s all I am trying to make you realise. I’m not actually all that interested in anything else.
Vote all you want, but it’ll never make the United States a good country. The US will always be a colonialist power controlled by the rich until you remove those rich bastards from power. And you can’t do that using the system they designed to make sure they remain in place at the top of the pyramid.
Idk this definitely doesn't feel like the attitude of someone who wants best for the American people, maybe you as a European, the continent that created fascism and experienced it more than anyone would know otherwise though. /s
Unless you're advocating for the violent overthrow of the American government, something that would be almost impossible, would involve the first civil war in a nuclear nation ever and would inevitably wreak havoc on the world, and is certainly unwarranted under our current administration. Then voting is literally the only way to change our government, and it's perfectly possible, the Democratic and Republican parties have changed massively due to the will of the people. The Republican Elite did not want Trump, the base did, and the Democratic Elite can't stop Bernie's popularity or more people like him getting into local office, state offices, and their influence can be beat in congressional primaries easily, if you want the U.S. to change in a radically left ward direction, violence will get you nothing but arrested, voting (and organizing) will bring change gradually.
A state is not the people. Israel is genocidal and evil. But the people who live there aren’t necessarily.
I’m in favour of peaceful revolution. A general strike. Where the working class withhold their labour from the ruling class, and establish alternative societal structures outside of the state. For example, agricultural workers provide food to their fellow working class, in exchange for their own aid - e.g. childcare, help in maintaining tools and vehicles, healthcare, etc.
Violence must never be our first answer, but we must also be prepared to defend ourselves if necessary.
Not really. The changes have been aesthetic and semiotics. Both parties still favour corporations over people. Both parties are still beholden to wealth, first and foremost.