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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Isn't that one of Nikola Tesla's inventions? Free electricity through the air?

[–] Freefall 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Nah, that was just blasting a microwave beam at a collector. It would work and be meh on efficiency, but also bake everything between the two points...neat innovative theory, bad idea. Tesla was a smart dude, but his bad ideas were left ignored for a reason.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's not right... He was trying to achieve wireless power through Earth resonance. Which AFAIK is pretty much now completely debunked as never going to work ... but it tracks with Tesla's world view.

It's kind of crazy how much you can build without a complete understanding... There's probably stuff we think we understand now that we really don't and other stuff left to discover.

[–] batmaniam 5 points 1 month ago

how much you can build without a complete understanding

We've never actually never had one. I'd have to check the timelines but Tesla was almost certainly working on a functional, but inaccurate atomic model (Bohr). Medicine is actually a great example of all this. We are so used to just kind of knowing "there's a bad bug or bad gene that's making me sick". Like you may not know the details, but you've got some loose concept a bunch of cells in your body are pissed off. For the vast, vasssssssst history of medicine, it was all empirical, and the thing is, it kind of worked... sometimes.

My favorite example of "knowing without fully understanding" is Mendel and his peas. If you do a 4x4 punnet square (that gene cross thing), and look at the frequency of co-inheritance, you can track how far genes are from on another (because the further they are, the more likely there will be a swap during the shuffle). Thing is... because DNA is an integer thing (no such thing as 'half a base pair') it works DOWN TO THE SINGLE BASE PAIR. Mendel was accurately counting the number of freaking base pairs separating genes without knowing what a base pair, or indeed even really a molecule, was.

Tesla would have lived to see some absolutely nutty stuff in physics. Boltzman, Einstein with relativity, it must have seemed like pure madness at the time.

So yeah, we discover new and interesting stuff all the time. I personally think that some of the weird quantum stuff is going seem as rote in the future as germs do to us now. As in, the same way any lay-person shoved into a time machine would at least be able to give the basics to a medieval European, someone from the future would be like "well I don't remember much about quantum tunneling, but...".

And that's all before getting into some of the bizarre things going on in math itself. Be careful if you look into that stuff though, it's easy to fall into the "Terrance Howard" style rabbit hole. Suffice to say there is some really interesting and unexpected implications we're discovering, but if you don't have a solid grasp of theory, it is easy to be led astray but sources that want to gloss over details to talk about a conclusion that isn't actually supported. It's like if you tried to explain time dilation to an ancient Greek, and they excitedly hopped on their fastest chariot thinking they could "fast forward" to the future, because time moves "more slowly" for you when you're going faster, right?

[–] Freefall 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was thinking his wireless transmission, not harvesting... yeah, that is pretty out there.

No doubt there is plenty to discover, but there is a lot of B.S. that can be discarded, but people cling to it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

He also wanted to use the resonance for transmission AFAIK. He didn't really buy into the radio waves from a scientific standpoint (which to be fair to him ... everything was more theoretical back then; if he was in the modern era, he'd have better information to use).

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