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The stuff in your first paragraph is being done by religious people. Hard right=religious... Religion hasn't "held together human society", it stopped human progress in is tracks for more than 2 thousand years, and continues to fight to destroy any progress we've been able to achieve.
I think you limit your understanding to western Christianism, which infamously decided to establish a direct connection between political and religious authority as well as deeply institutionalized religion. These concepts already struggle when looking at the original, orthodox Christians like they survived in Palestine, the Levant and Turkey.
If you look at diaspora Judaism in large parts it has been a beacon of scientific and social progress in many areas. Which is why these groups strongly oppose Zionism as a religiously themed imperial project, which directly contradicts their religious values and bastardizes the understanding of Judaism into a barbaric version.
If you look at Islam it brought great scientific and social progress, in particular allowing for Christian and Jewish communities to thrive, building social infrastructure and implementing rule of law. Look at the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Iberian Jews, after the Christians won against the "Moors". Extremist Islamism is a product of hundreds of years of genocidal Western Christian occupation, largely absent in places where people could life and practice in peace.
If you look at the Western "war on terror", Chinas subjugation of the Uighur, the Serbian genocide in Bosnia and Putins supression of Muslims, you should wonder, what brings all these powers together? It is their fear of a reemergence of religion, not as a cheap trope, like with the evangelicals in the US, but as something people take serious. In particular Islam is dangerous to established powers and capitalist rule, as it provides a balanced approach to life, where the relationship to god is a priority but sustained by thriving for a good and just life for oneself and their community.
Meanwhile both capitalism and communism reflect on humans as purely economic beings, whose struggle should always be materialistic rather than holistic.
I guess I can agree that there's a type of religion that isn't evil, and minds it's own business, and just tries to live a wholesome life and be good to people. I don't think people necessarily NEED religion to live like that, but for those that do, I'm all for it.
Yes I know and I can guaran-fucking-tee you that as a progressive Christian myself, whatever dislike you have for conservative evangelicals I bear times five because OUR BOOK LITERALLY TEACHES NOT TO DO THESE THINGS.
I'm not arguing with butthurt atheists today, my positioned is far more nuanced than your ilk can respond to but I want to point out:
I didn't say MY religion, I said religion in general. Every cohort study reports people with strong religious convictions consistently report higher life satisafaction. Your claims of 'holding us back for 2k years is not only ridiculously incorrect, it is based on memes you have consumed and not historical fact. Nearly every prestigious university in the U.S. was founded as a Jesuit school and that order has LONG been proponents of education and technological advancement.
Lastly, your opinion of religion is formed from the memes and news articles you see about angry conservative evangelicals, because that's what feeds the ratings beast. You really have no fucking clue what it looks like from the inside otherwise you wouldn't be blanked bombing all theists for the rancid and unbliblical acts of the extremists.
Enjoy your block because I certainly enjoyed blocking you.
But the Bible is very inconsistent on its messages, which is exactly why it can be used in ways you don't agree with. Christianity in particular has often been used by those in power to keep their power and subjugate others. It's certainly not the only religion that has done it, but it is one of the most prominent.
You believe what you want to, but when Christofascists are able to use the same book to push their regressive, violent policies, then maybe you should take a look at why that is.
If you don't have any actual scholarly interest in Operating Thetans, then you aren't prepared for any discussion involving Scientology.
lol as if you're qualified to say they don't exist without knowing the lore. Educate yourself.
I notice you didn't actually address the core point of your automatic dismissiveness. How about put your big boy pants on and stop trying to meme your way out of this.
My brother in Furry Xenu, you're in a meme community advertising something awfully silly.
My mistake for thinking there could be meaningful discourse on the internet these days.
Come to my sub where I can shout at you properly.
Sure you go wait there and I'll be there in just a second
You took too long, now I'm bored.
Meaningful discourse? Like when you tell people they make you sick simply because they pointed out that Christianity can be (and mostly is) a negative influence on progressive causes? Good for you if you are a socially progressive Christian, but no need to hate on other people just because they have a different imaginary friend, or none at all.
that's only because your perspective of Christians is formed by conservative evagelicals acting badly on purpose to make the news.
I can argue for like 45 minutes why Christianity is literally the most progressive Abrahamic religion but none of you care because your assumption is already made and years of experience has proven you will not budge on it no matter what. So I don't bother to cure your ignorance.
You haven't read any of my posts in this thread then because I have repeatedly stated that his doesn't matter and just like every other edgelad you come with assumptions that no objective data will change.
I did read your comments which is how I know you have been very aggressive in this comment thread towards other users.
If you want to personally attack other users who don't share your views on religion, then please go do it somewhere else.
you should check out the community this clown is running
[email protected]
It is absolutely hilarious. The guy claims to have “intermittent explosive disorder” so he will randomly lash out “uncontrollably, as a mental disorder”.
Sure, thats a real illness. Except @[email protected] has seemingly spent 14 hours seething and frothing at the mouth.
Is it intermittent? If so, why does it seem to only occur when posting?
Appreciate the heads up 👍
It doesn't seem like religion has made you very happy. Or very nice. I get that your username includes angry, and you seem to take that very seriously.
It also seems like you're not very different from the people you claim are co-opting religion. You are cherry-picking the parts of Christianity that work well for you, while ignoring or downplaying the rest.
I know you're not going to change your mind, but this approach certainly isn't doing much to try and convert anyone.
Sorry to hear you have a neurotransmitter deficiency. I hope you're able to get some help for the symptoms.
Man... Angry autist is angry