this post was submitted on 13 Jul 2024
415 points (94.1% liked)

News

23534 readers
6548 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump "is fine"
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

News Sources

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

And how do you kill the ideology? By having the most successful voice of it ultimately accomplish nothing and die as a sad old man.

There's a reason his rhetoric has been: "The election was stolen!" Because that feeling is powerful, that they were right on the cusp of doing something great, if only the enemy hadn't poisoned it. It's got the right mix of victimization and hope that really motivates a movement. You'll get that 10x now that he's victimized. And you'd get it 20x if he's martyred.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

You can't kill any ideology.

Nazis are still around.

Confederate apologists are still around.

The only effective end to the tyrrany of their ideology when it had enough momentum wasn't strong words and voting. MAGA is about three small steps from turning the US into a literal fascist state.

The only thing that holds authoritarian regimes like the MAGA crowd together are narcissists like Trump. They would collapse without someone as good at stoking their anger, and he really is the only one that is personally revered by the MAGA crowd. Sure, other grifters make money and get ciews, but nobody cares when the other grifters like Alex Jones face some justice.

[–] Cuttlefish1111 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We can educate and shame a population for voicing their support for said fascism. In fact it was working pretty well until Trump made it ok to be a bigot publicly again. That’s what’s the whole MAGA thing is about

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He's the only one because he's still around. If he died yesterday we'd have someone new leading the charge by election time.

You've specifically pointed out ideologies that weren't allowed to die because of how oppressed they were. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't have fought the Nazis, but victory inherently creates an oppressed underdog that people love to rally around.

The ideologies that die are the ones that fail on their own and people lose faith in. Think monarchies, feudalism, mercantilism, the OG version of Communism, colonialism, etc.. So ideally we won't want to use force if at all possible. Let them lose election after election until they realize they've alienated too many people to ever be successful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He’s the only one because he’s still around. If he died yesterday we’d have someone new leading the charge by election time.

He was the only one to get the MAGA movement rolling, there isn't anyone waiting in the wings to take his spot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Ron DeSantis already tried. He only failed because Trump is still around. The GOP learned that they need to wait for him to leave the scene before they try again.