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Qualcomm spends millions on marketing as it is found better battery life, not AI features, is driving Copilot+ PC sales (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Pretending it's not locked down like the og surface arm devices, I'd consider getting one and totally drop some flavour of linux on it, 3:2 is a great aspect ratio for laptops.

Otherwise yeah, I wouldn't go anywhere near it

Edit: apparently I don't need to pretend, this hasn't been an issue for a while so that's actually great

[–] Telodzrum 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They're BIOS locked and only accept Windows keys. On the plus side. Tuxedo is developing Linux notebooks with the same powerful, low-power ARM chips.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I assumed so, really dislike that you can't do what you want with hardware you own.

Edit: apparently not locked down, which is great

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Their source is they made it the fuck up. The most recent devices from previous generations running Windows on ARM weren't boot locked. Only the surface RT was boot locked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Where did you get this from? Their predecessors weren't UEFI locked. Qualcomm themselves are working on mainline Linux support. Unless you have sources I am calling bullshit.

[–] mrvictory1 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It is not bootloader locked, Linux support is WIP

EDIT: Source here https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/1dnu5nw/comment/ladiom2/?context=3

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you mean app compatibility, the only programs that will have issues are those needing AVX2

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Wasn't even thinking about that, I have an old surface rc2 that's totally useless because MS abandoned it years ago and it's locked down so you can't install an alternate os on it. To be fair, I'm not sure how useful it could be but it's really about the fact I can't do what I want with hardware I own.

Edit: apparently this (locked down) hasn't been an issue for a while so that's actually great

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All of them modern Windows for ARM devices released since Windows 10 have been boot unlocked to my knowledge, just with very poor driver support. Lookup Linaros articles on the subject.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Totally out of the loop for sure, definitely basing my assumptions on my experience with the rc2, I'm actually really happy that's changed

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Then why didn't you say you're out of the loop when writing the comments? You've just potentially misled a bunch of people for no good reason. These products are controversial enough as is without falsehoods being layered on top.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I meant it to be implied with my comment tying back to the original surface rc devices, I've always really liked the look of the surface line, it's why I bought one and used it heavily (I was also and windows phone and zune early adopter, other things that were actually really nice but got dropped), I personally disliked that I couldn't really do much with it after they dropped support as afaik the rc2 no one has cracked and made that crack public.

And totally willing to admit being wrong, going back and editing my comments to reflect my mistake

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah that's fair.

I wouldn't be best impressed if they killed a device and locked you out.

Luckily someone actually did hack it: https://openrt.gitbook.io/open-surfacert

Would you be interested in using something like that to run Linux or Windows 10?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Linux for sure, they weren't the beefiest devices even for the time, wow someone finally got the rt2 unlocked fully? Appreciate the link, going to have to dig mine out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I don't think it will necessarily be an easy process, and their are some limitations. Still it's good to see.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

If Framework didn't exist and Linux worked on it, I'd probably get one when my older ThinkPad dies. I'd love something with a ton of battery life, and I don't need much else (my workflow is basically a browser and a terminal).