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[–] Beastlygr 52 points 2 days ago (65 children)
[–] TropicalDingdong 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (64 children)

No. We're "un-fucked".

We cant win with Biden.

We CAN win without him.

Finally the dense mother fuckers who have been denying Biden's inadequacy have been dragged, kicking and screaming, into reality.

We'll have a brokered convention (like all conventions before 1970's), we'll get "generic corporate democrat", and they'll be instantly polling in the low to mid 50's and we'll actually have a fucking chance.

Biden has had no chance at winning this election at any point in his candidacy. Ever. Look at the polling. Look at the data. He's never stood a chance and plenty of people here and elsewhere have been trying to get this through some extremely thick skulls that have basically been insisting that we need to run an un-electable candidate.

Well the goose is cooked. The rat is out of the bag. Here comes the moose or whatever. He's done. Adios Biden, don't let the door hit you on the way out. You did fine on some stuff but wow you fucked up on Gaza/Israel.

Minutes after that debate Newsom was on MSNBC. We're gonna get Newsom, or maybe Inslee; a way smarter choice would be Witmer or Andy Beshear.

And guess what? Litterally ANY GENERIC CANDIDATE PUTS 10 POINTS BACK ON THE BOARD.

Bam. Switch candidates and Democrats are instantaneously back in this race.

[–] themeatbridge 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The four people you mentioned would all make great candidates in a primary, and I would enjoy watching them debate.

But there isn't time for that. You can't just throw together a slapdash presidential campaign overnight, and you aren't going to get the DNC to agree to a coronation for anyone but Harris. The primaries are already mostly over, and Biden is the only viable candidate in the field. If you think the Democrats are going to pluck your favorite candidate from relative obscurity and nominate them, you're as delusional as the guy who goes to football games thinking he'll be pulled from the stands to play quarterback because coach saw him throwing the ball with his buddies in the parking lot.

[–] TropicalDingdong 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nah. You're just wrong.

Every name I mentioned is leading Biden right now. They can win. Biden can't.

[–] themeatbridge 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Leading in what? Delegates? State polling? Do any of them even have independent state polling? Or field offices? Any lawyers to get them on the ballot in each state? Do any of them have a fundraising apparatus? Campaign staff? None of them have any meaningful name recognition outside of their home states. Newsom is the only one getting national press coverage, and that's because the right wing likes to burn him in effigy.

Like I said, I would love to see all of them in an open-field primary next time around. I'd much prefer a better candidate than Biden. But you're dreaming if you think someone else can step in now and actually win. If Biden is alive, he's on the ballot. If he happens to die, the DNC will make sure it's Harris.

[–] TropicalDingdong 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Theres no help. You are clueless as to how both the DNC and actual elections work.

[–] themeatbridge 1 points 1 day ago

That's like IMAX level projection you got there.

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