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[–] Anarch157a 245 points 3 days ago (51 children)

According to the open-source intelligence (OSINT) site Molfar, Ukraine has sunk or damaged nearly 60 ships of the Russian Navy.

How, for fuck sake, Russia managed to lose 60 ships to a country that has NO NAVY ?!?

Holy! Shit!

[–] [email protected] 84 points 3 days ago (23 children)

This is a whole paradigm shift, and it's not new.

So you have a billion dollar aircraft carrier. How many million dollar missiles can you shoot at it before it sinks? Generally, it's not a thousand.

Same deal all down the line. A tank is fantastically more expensive than an antitank rocket.

Just the way the world works. You can iterate and improve a small munition way faster than a huge ship.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 days ago (9 children)

That is the meme, but when I talk to military people they point out Russian incompetence. They do not believe NATO ships are that vulnerable. Ukraine is using a lot of tanks, but because they are using them according to good military doctrine they are not taking nearly as many losses. Note that Ukraine and Russia both got their tank instructions from the old Soviet playbook not a NATO book (though Ukraine as had NATO training as well), there is nothing about using a tank well Russia shouldn't know, but they are failing to follow their own book on how to use tanks.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

On the tank side, some planned updates/replacements for the Abrams were very suddenly canned and went back to the drawing board. The DoD didn't say why, but a good guess is that they saw how things were going for tanks vs drones in Ukraine, and decided that these new designs would be obsolete before they're built.

[–] khannie 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You may bet your bollix that tank designers are earning really good overtime at the moment.

[–] mojofrododojo 9 points 3 days ago

You may bet your bollix that tank designers are earning really good overtime at the moment.

something tells me drone and EW designers are pulling even more OT than the tank guys.

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