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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Important notion that Jesus never claimed to be the son of god and that entire line of thinking was established some four hundred years after.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

So we have to differentiate between what is the actual Gospel and life of Jesus and what the more creative parts of the churches invented on top of it over time.

[–] nyctre 3 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

Which is from one of the original 4 gospels. Apparently there's evidence of it being written as early as 70AD. There's a couple other quotes I found in a link some other person linked in this thread but this one seems most direct.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I think this is a terminological confusion. The original Gospel as in the life and teaching of Jesus, that got lost as it wasn't documented in his lifetime.

The four gospels that made the choice are as you said collections written later. And there were many more Gospels that the early church decided not to put into the bible. On top of that there is the issue how those gospels got translated multiple times and each translation inadvertently adds a layer of interpretation.

[–] nyctre 1 points 5 days ago

Ah, okay. But then we can't really make a claim either way, can we? We don't really know who he was or who he claimed to be.

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