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[–] dinckelman 80 points 1 week ago (25 children)

Is it immoral to harm a demographic, that consistently harms everyone else?

[–] ameancow 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

The average progressive or even liberal in the US hates hearing this, but the vast, vast majority of Trumpers are actually "okay" people, and you would all get along splendidly in just about any other context.

The problem is though, they are dumb. Don't get me wrong or think I'm sticking up for them. I just have some amount of sympathy and pity because I grew up out in the boonies in Southwestern USA, I was raised conservative and only flipped in my 20's after seeing too much horror and war hurt people I cared about, and by extension, I learned to care for more than just the people I know.

A lot of people haven't learned that. We take for granted that empathy is a learned skill, and we expect others to have it on demand and we tend to resent those who don't exercise it. My take is that we're expecting people to exercise muscles they've never even stretched. These are people locked in communities that they will likely spend their whole lives in, often times decaying outskirts of America, rampant with drugs and alcohol abuse, stuck in low-wage jobs or jobs that demand them to spend every waking moment working. They have no time nor opportunity to learn how to incorporate "care" into their daily misery, much less political knowledge. Then someone like Trump comes along, someone they only hear clips of and hear their "news station" praise while simultaneously explaining that all their problems are because of people who "hate america" and are trying to destroy families with scaaary things like abortion and gender-fluidity. It makes sense if your brain is desperately looking for a story to explain why you're so unhappy. Which is how all our brains work.

We all have to remember that the worst people in the world are identical to us. We could have been born in their lives with their ignorance and tunnel vision, and all their feelings of fighting against a stacked-deck and hopelessness against change that will (supposedly) take away their only comforts in life.

I am getting really uncomfortable with the hate the left is directing at people who are simply dumb as fuck. Yes, they are dangerous, yes they are capable of doing better, and on top of that the only examples we SEE of this segment of America is the most horrific and malicious, the people storming the capitol or screaming at rallys or beating up protestors. They are the worst, but not necessarily the rule.

I had family members who were going to vote Trump and JUST needed to see the clips of him speaking that don't make it to Facebook news feeds to change their mind. Approach this from a place of education and compassion and you will all have better results.

Let's save our hate for the real evil, the grifters and pundits who are pied pipers for the ignorant. They are smart and know what they are doing and it's pure evil.

[–] RunawayFixer 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is also something that many people outside of the USA don't understand: 49% of the americans are not voting for the Trump/republican shit show that they see in their foreign media, but rather for a heavily editorialized image of the person and party.

[–] irreticent 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

49% of the americans

More accurately, 49% of voters. Out of all of the eligible voters in the 2020 election only 66% actually voted. And, that election had the highest turnout in over a century.

So when trying to calculate how many eligible voters voted for Trump in 2020 you'll have to take the statistics above into consideration.

49% of 66% is 32% if my math is correct. 32% of eligible voters voted for Trump.

Sorry for being pedantic but it annoys me when people say that half of America supports Trump when it's just not true.

[–] crozilla 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m bad at math, but should that be 32% of Americans not voters.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Well you should subtract out the kids. I'm not going to get irritated about someone under the age of 18 not voting. That's why it should be eligible voters, not Americans.

[–] irreticent 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

33%, but yeah. Both are true.

66% of eligible are voting, 33% of eligible are not voting. Of the 66% that did vote, half of those (I used 49%) voted for Trump. Half of the 66% is 33%.

So, of the eligible voters, 33% voted Biden, 33% voted Trump, and 33% didn't vote.

Or, if you want math:

.66 * .49 = .32 or 32%

Edit: I misunderstood the question and gave an off-topic answer. Someone else commented the correct reason: not all Americans are eligible to vote. Children, felons in certain States, etc. Since they didn't/can't vote they're not counted in the "half of America" statistic often quoted.

Half of eligible voters voted for trump, which is about 32% of America in 2020.

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