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Oldest wine ever discovered in liquid form found in urn with Roman remains (www.theguardian.com)

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Reddish-brown liquid found in untouched 2,000-year-old Roman tomb is a local, sherry-like wine

The oldest wine ever to have been discovered in its original liquid form is reddish-brown and, quite conceivably, full-bodied. Reddish-brown because of the chemical reactions that have taken place in the 2,000 years since the white wine was poured into a funeral urn in southern Spain – and potentially full-bodied because the urn also contained, among other things, the cremated bones of a Roman man.

Analysis by experts at the University of Córdoba has established that the ancient tawny liquid inside the urn – which was found in a rare, untouched Roman tomb that was accidentally discovered in the Andalucían town of Carmona five years ago – is a local, sherry-like wine.

Prior to the discovery, which is reported in the Journal of Archaeological Science: Reports, the oldest wine preserved in a liquid state was the Speyer wine bottle, which was excavated from a Roman tomb near the German city of Speyer in 1867 and dated to about AD 325.

The Spanish urn was recovered in 2019 after a family having some work done on their house in Carmona stumbled across a sunken tomb on their property.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The article doesn't clearly explain it, but that means this guy's dying wish was to have his remains put inside a jug of wine? He must have been quite the character in life.

[–] FlyingSquid 44 points 6 months ago (2 children)

After he was killed at the Battle of Trafalgar, Admiral Horatio Nelson was sent back to England in a barrel of either brandy or rum (accounts differ) to preserve his corpse.

But this dude was cremated like a good Roman.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

But this dude was cremated like a good Roman.

Yeah but then asked for his ashes to be decanted into an amphora?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Did you put the ashes away like I asked you to?"

"Yeah, put them into that urn"

"Dude, that was my wine for tonight. wtf"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He was so mad he went on to invent Franzia

So it could never happen again

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

that's the biggest catheter bag I've seen so far

[–] roguetrick 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You've never seen post trans-urethral prostate resection continuous bladder irrigation before.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bonum vinum laetificat cor hominis

"Good wine gladdens a person's heart."

[–] Plopp 10 points 6 months ago

All my hominis are bonum vinum.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucking_the_monkey#Tapping_the_Admiral

That's how he started his journey, at least

[–] hakunawazo 21 points 6 months ago

[–] lanolinoil 10 points 6 months ago

maybe he had a Keith Richards family member who wanted to get drunk on their remains.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/apr/04/drugsandalcohol.musicnews#:~:text=In%20a%20wide%2Dranging%20interview,%2C%22%20he%20told%20NME%20magazine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's pretty clear imo, the seared bones were sealed in the urn full of wine and an additional unworn decorated golden ring. The researchers even talk about reluctance to try it, because while it is perfectly safe judging by the microbiological analysis: it's had contact with the bones and is quite murky.

[–] redbr64 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I am a historian whose specialty is too recent to deal with anything like that (20th century), but also have a friend who, to be generic here, deals with a handful of a few centuries back. She found a baggie of a drug mistakenly stored with a letter in an archive (think 18th century) and on a whim, dipped their pinky into the powder and tried it. They regret that decision, but also, nothing happened:)

EDIT: Historians can be boring, but not always that tame