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[–] Maggoty 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Recent polling shows that isn't true. Early in 2024 the most people wanted to condition military aid to food aid. Polls taken by late March and early April showed a swing to where people now believe it's a dirty war on both sides that we should not be supporting, except to force them to accept food aid. Most democrats and independents are recorded with this position.

The question none of this polling dares to ask and probably should is, "will this issue prevent you from voting for a candidate in the general election?"

[–] lennybird -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What polling are you referring to, because the March polling from PEW who I'd trust the most in this situation still has 36% supporting Gaza action and another 9% having no opinion.

The question none of this polling dares to ask and probably should is, “will this issue prevent you from voting for a candidate in the general election?”

I think that's a fair question, but at the end of the day, the vast majority of people also do not place the Israeli-Palestinian war remotely at the top of their top list of concerns. So framing another way is: What % of the electorate in key states actually considers Biden's actions as unacceptable, versus the % of the electorate who still continues to support Israel and would consider it unacceptable if he withdrew further support? Moreover in terms of damage-control what would happen to Biden if he withdrew all aid to Israel and they just so happened to incur another terrorist attack? Whether we like it or not, this election is inevitable and Biden is certainly the better option not only for the people of Gaza but also the people of Ukraine and the wider planet for that matter. Certainly wouldn't be that difficult for a right-wing nationalist government to stage a false-flag akin to Russia's apartment bombings. So I think the proportional wind-down as polls continue to turn against Israel is the smart move. If I was in the Oval Office (and of course, none of us here are), that's what I would be advising. Meanwhile the second I win election, I'd be cutting Israel off entirely.

[–] Maggoty 0 points 6 months ago

That's why the question needs to be asked. The traditional ranking against other issues fails when an issue might be a deal breaker. It's why Abortion is such a huge thing in campaigns, even though it never ranks highly in that polling question either. Even after Roe V Wade healthcare access is sitting at fifth in Gallup's latest rankings.

My numbers are from Gallup.

Interestingly Pew's report from earlier shows less engagement than Gallup's but it's also more in depth on Muslim and Jewish attitudes towards the fighting which is interesting but less useful for the campaign overall.

So either they managed to poll meaningfully different groups or things are shifting and the paying attention number jumped for some reason in March. Also of note in the Gallup poll is that Democrats and independents no longer approve of Israel's war. At 70 and 60 percent for each. Suggesting the time to start divesting is now.