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"Just keep voting Whig" moment.
Or, get super fucked. I mean. Those are literally the choices.
“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice”
Officially pro-slavery and officially no stance on slavery were literally the choices.
Until they weren't.
The Whigs made up and influenced much of the newly formed Republican Party but the absolute inability of the Whigs to take a stance on the slavery question caused them to collapse and a new party with an actual stance on slavery take its place.
Okay, so when the Democratic Party collapses and a new party that actually has progressive policies takes its place, we'll stop voting for Democrats.
But that hasn't happened yet, and shows zero signs of doing so.
A party that collapses is one people don't keep voting for. So we will see if the Democratic Party will collapse before changing policies.
The Democratic party changes policies all the time. Already, a majority of Democrats want us to stop supporting Israel, and Biden has even held up weapons shipments to Israel and started negotiating directly with Hamas. I'd expect more in that direction in the future.
Gay marriage is a huge one. The Dems changed policies on that in an incredibly short period of time, during the Obama administration.
Went from "yeah let's invade Iraq and stop Saddam!" to "oh man we made a mistake"
Went from "we need to support workers" to "we need to support business" and now back to "we need to support workers" again over 40 years
Y'all need to understand that the Democratic party listens to it's voters. Leftists don't represent the whole party, in fact they're an unreliable fringe group and it's debatable whether to group them with the Democrats at all.
The DNC doesn't particularly worry about the Leftist vote, the youth vote, etc because y'all are unreliable as fuck. The DNC cares about lower middle class mid-30s women. The DNC cares about Black single mothers. The DNC cares about highly educated city-dwelling white men. Blocs that fucking vote.
Oof.
The change in Israeli policy, accepting gay marriage, rejecting iraq invasion, and support for labor rights... Where and how did the Democratic Party arrive at these positions?
There was a short period of time when the Democratic Party pursued a strategy that involved more than those specific named categories. Howard Dean, another Vermont progressive, ran the DNC from 2005-2009 and helped facilitate Obama's victory in deep red stated and even a dominating congressional position.
He was removed in 2009. The Democrats have been stringing along some hefty Ls since, even though a progressive, leftist strategy was proven to work.
The faction that beat away Dean is the same that undermined Sanders twice.
https://www.politico.com/story/2009/12/what-if-obama-hadnt-ostracized-dean-030752
That's an extremely complicated question to answer, but I'm sure you have some simple-sounding conspiracy theory that ties everything together neatly if you don't look too deeply into it. Let's hear it.
Finish reading the post you're quoting...?
I guess I haven't drank enough kool-aid to tie together Howard Dean, Bernie Sanders, and the several examples of Democrats changing positions that I mentioned.
But I'll guess it somehow involves the big bad ~~Deep State~~ DNC intentionally sabotaging the glorious majority of Leftist voters who would otherwise dominate political discourse, because they're just that fucking evil or something.
Well there is this whole extremely dismissive arrogance kind of thing, but I'm not sure I would call it evil?
See I was only going for the corporate donor backlash over and during the ACA legislation and the effects of the Citizens United/SpeechNow decisions that came thereafter.
It's clear that's all too much to get into, unfortunately, what with all the contempt.
So super pacs? Influencing the DNC to ignore progressives?
You don’t understand. There won’t be free and fair elections if everyone, not just the core constituencies, everyone doesn’t get out and vote Biden.
Or maybe you understand exactly and you don’t give a crap for, let’s say, reasons.
I mean yeah that is the threat posed.
Now one might think that a political party is more than the office of the president, and if that election is the only one that matters then the freedom and fairness of elections probably aren't as prominent as once thought.
The entire House, 20+ Democratic senators, and a dozen Democratic governors are up for election this year, and they're having to contend with their party platform. Biden's campaign and the whole rhetoric of not being Trump to beat Trump does not extend beyond the presidential ticket. It is acting as a dead weight for the entire party.
Keeping control of Congress should be a bit more important to the conversation because we are facing down a filibuster, if not veto proof GOP Congress.