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At the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, the U.S. military launched a secret campaign to counter what it perceived as China’s growing influence in the Philippines, a nation hit especially hard by the deadly virus.

The clandestine operation has not been previously reported. It aimed to sow doubt about the safety and efficacy of vaccines and other life-saving aid that was being supplied by China, a Reuters investigation found. Through phony internet accounts meant to impersonate Filipinos, the military’s propaganda efforts morphed into an anti-vax campaign. Social media posts decried the quality of face masks, test kits and the first vaccine that would become available in the Philippines – China’s Sinovac inoculation.

Reuters identified at least 300 accounts on X, formerly Twitter, that matched descriptions shared by former U.S. military officials familiar with the Philippines operation. Almost all were created in the summer of 2020 and centered on the slogan #Chinaangvirus – Tagalog for China is the virus.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As an American, I am ashamed that my country's government does acts of pure evil like this. I'm sorry rest of the world, I wish my voice was more than but a whisper while on a St Patrick's Day bar crawl in Boston.

In my honest opinion whoever proposed this, approved this, and ultimately executed this should be persecuted for something akin to shouting fire leading to a stampede and deaths.

Actions like this are exactly why we probably shouldn't have a completely opaque society.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In my honest opinion whoever proposed this, approved this, and ultimately executed this should be persecuted for something akin to shouting fire leading to a stampede and deaths.

That would be Donald J. Trump. It's in the article.

We knew he was bad at managing the pandemic and we know he was bad at foreign policy. This was a two for the price of one deal.

[–] Mertn33 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He was bad at everything ffs. Nothing has changed. Yet half the country is going to vote for him again

[–] assassin_aragorn 5 points 5 months ago

And part of Lemmy will continue to say "there's basically no difference between the two parties!"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

General Jonathan Braga was promoted to Lieutenant General in August 2021, months after the new Biden administration was informed about and canceled the program.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

He followed orders and ran an effective disinformation campaign.

Think of the Pentagon as a bureaucracy that just does what they're told. If the President says they should invade a country X, they draw up the plans, figure out the logistics, and invade country X. If the President says invade country Y, same thing, just with country Y instead of country X. They follow orders, it's kinda a big thing in the military.

Trump ordered a disinformation campaign in the Philippines, so this guy ran an effective disinformation campaign in the Philippines. If the President wanted to run a disinformation campaign in Russia this would be a guy they'd want to do it.

Follows orders and is good at his job, that's the criteria needed for a promotion.

The blame lies on Trump for giving the order.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That excuse didn't work for the Germans and regular soldiers in WW2. Why would you think it should work for America now?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you claiming that a disinformation campaign is a war crime and therefore an illegal order?

That's kinda a stretch don't you think?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm 100% willing to claim that. The expected end result of this is fewer civilians taking the Chinese vaccine (with likely spillover for other vaccine efforts) and thus more disease deaths. That's a pretty solid justification for war crimes.

Just like "shooting a gun" isn't a war crime. It's not the act that's a crime, it's the expected results and the victims.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Following orders is no excuse and the campaign should be is and is a crime of meaningful scope and scale.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Well sorry to break it to you, there's no international law making disinformation campaigns illegal. It was a bad order to be sure, but not an illegal order.

Soldiers are responsible when following an illegal order. When it's a bad order, then it's the person giving the order that's responsible.

It's just how military works. They have to follow the law, but not your personal morality. I mean what's the morality around killing a person because they're wearing a different uniform? Do you think that's fine while a disinformation campaigns are crossing the line?

[–] TokenBoomer 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You just legitimized Russian, Iranian and Chinese disinformation campaigns against America. Good job, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is what it is. War is a much more horrible thing than a disinformation campaign. So let's just make war illegal, problem solved!

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

Whether Russian, Iranian and Chinese disinformation campaigns against America are legitimate or not isn't all that relevant. They're happening and will continue to happen regardless of how legitimate anyone considers them to be.

Eventually there may be treaties countries will agree to stop doing disinformation campaigns. But Russia, China, and Iran aren't going to sign on to these agreements if they're the only ones with the capability to conduct disinformation campaigns. Why would they give up their capabilities to disrupt their adversaries if their adversaries didn't have the capability to disrupt their countries with disinformation? Gotta have Mutually Assured Disinformation before you can get everyone to agree to stop these activities.

Just how global politics works.

[–] TokenBoomer 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

We're already at the bottom, son.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Cool technicality. It's a crime by any sane definition of harm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The law isn't based on your feelings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is in part based on my feels.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Thinking the world conforms to your feelings is basically the definition of delusion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Whats funny is the poster here was very likely part of said disinformation campaign. This is an attempt to distract from the moral wrong excuted here with the cover of legality. No laws existed that made the Holocaust illegal yet the post laws and trails are valid and necessary. The acts here should be seen as a form of biological warfare, a crime against humanity with all the reprehensible disgust and reasonable punishment due to those who did not stand up and walk away.

Following orders is not just how it works and the criminality of following illegal orders has been established many times.

This is a crime, regardless of the laws today, regardless of my feelings, it is never acceptable to attempt to infect others with a deadly biological agent directly or indirectly.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

Is it a crime to kill a person simply because they're wearing a different uniform from you?

That's what the military does, right? They kill people for wearing a different uniform. What's the morality around that? Is it more or less moral to lie to someone than it is to kill them?

We can debate the morality of the existence of militaries all we want. But people in power in places like Russia aren't having that debate. They will use their capabilities to expand their power in absence of a force to oppose them. We need military capabilities and that we means we need to have people willing to kill people for wearing a different uniform. God forbid they might lie to people sometimes, right? Killing people we're fine with, but disinformation crosses the line!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

You're sanitizing this as a "disinformation campaign", stripping away that the target was civilians and the likely result deaths. If the president ordered a general (this isn't some nobody private with no agency) to implement a plan of bombings against civilian targets, that isn't just "a bombing campaign" and following orders is not correct.

[–] Xanis 4 points 5 months ago

That's internal bullshit. Suck enough dicks and you'll be able to murder someone at a party and get away with it.