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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by [email protected] to c/fediverse
 

I feel like we need to talk about Lemmy's massive tankie censorship problem. A lot of popular lemmy communities are hosted on lemmy.ml. It's been well known for a while that the admins/mods of that instance have, let's say, rather extremist and onesided political views. In short, they're what's colloquially referred to as tankies. This wouldn't be much of an issue if they didn't regularly abuse their admin/mod status to censor and silence people who dissent with their political beliefs and for example, post things critical of China, Russia, the USSR, socialism, ...

As an example, there was a thread today about the anniversary of the Tiananmen Massacre. When I was reading it, there were mostly posts critical of China in the thread and some whataboutist/denialist replies critical of the USA and the west. In terms of votes, the posts critical of China were definitely getting the most support.

I posted a comment in this thread linking to "https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs" (WARNING: graphical content), which describes aspects of the atrocities that aren't widely known even in the West, and supporting evidence. My comment was promptly removed for violating the "Be nice and civil" rule. When I looked back at the thread, I noticed that all posts critical of China had been removed while the whataboutist and denialist comments were left in place.

This is what the modlog of the instance looks like:

Definitely a trend there wouldn't you say?

When I called them out on their one sided censorship, with a screenshot of the modlog above, I promptly received a community ban on all communities on lemmy.ml that I had ever participated in.

Proof:

So many of you will now probably think something like: "So what, it's the fediverse, you can use another instance."

The problem with this reasoning is that many of the popular communities are actually on lemmy.ml, and they're not so easy to replace. I mean, in terms of content and engagement lemmy is already a pretty small place as it is. So it's rather pointless sitting for example in /c/[email protected] where there's nobody to discuss anything with.

I'm not sure if there's a solution here, but I'd like to urge people to avoid lemmy.ml hosted communities in favor of communities on more reasonable instances.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

Yeah, I've been banned because I said something about Uighur genocide, on the other hand I'm wondering about dessalines' nationality and his knowledge about communism, it's easy to be communist of you only touched it online, I for example live in post communist country and remember some of it, old people are talking about it, it wasn't that good

I'd "understand" if everything would be transparent and they admitted it's tankie instance and you're banned because you don't like China but no, everything is against their own COC

Do we want someone like that not only administrating the oldest Lemmy instance but developing the whole platform?

[–] taipan 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

lemmy.ml has changed their level of transparency about their political leanings twice. Look at the history of their home page description:

April 2021 to June 2021:

The flagship instance of lemmy.

June 2021 to November 2022:

A community of leftist privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers

November 2022 to now:

A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

it's easy to be communist of you only touched it online

This is almost certainly the case, these kids read about the ideals of communism and think it sounds great, and they know about how things are in the USA and think that's bad. Two fair assessments, but they then deduce that the because capitalist America is bad, then Soviet Russia "communist" China must be good, ignoring the fact that every person who survived/escaped those reigemes described them as hell.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Eheran 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What is this link supposed to tell us?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Eheran 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I now understand why you get downvoted.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't give fluff, tough shit

[–] Eheran 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But you do "give fluff", there is a reason you posts random links. You want someone to see something, but do not want to talk about it, which I find odd.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago

Stop it or I'm gunna spank your little bubble butt

[–] SupraMario 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Everyone who wants communism has never lived it, and those who have don't want it.

It sounds great on paper, but humans will always have those who wish to hold power.

[–] maxenmajs 7 points 5 months ago

For real, I knew people whose family had to stand in lines just to get food or common items. It's foolish to advocate for abolishing capitalism when states with "real leftism" overwhelmingly do not thrive for long or at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

on the other hand I’m wondering about dessalines’ nationality

I'm guessing US, on account of the whole "America Bad" thing. Can also be seen with European tankies but they're not nearly as much USSR stans and way more likely to identify as Trots. South American is another option but then I'd expect at least some of his output to be Spanish/Portuguese. It all does have that US exceptionalism turned around "The US is the source of all evil, ever" kind of vibe you generally only see from Americans as the rest of the world plain and simply isn't seeped in US jingoism and self-importance.

...also I didn't really invest much time in this at all, if someone else did, please enlighten us.