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[–] themeatbridge 2 points 6 months ago

In a moral relativism sort of way, yes, but only if you consider the suffering of the animals. In practice, hunting whales creates ecological problems that have a deleterious effect on ocean life. Factory farming cows is also terrible for the environment, and I couldn't tell you which is objectively worse on the whole.

You could also argue that the level of awareness anf the capability to perceive pain should be considered. A whale's brain is theoretically higher functioning than a cow's, but we don't really understand neurology and consciousness among animals to say that a whale is more conscious than a cow. But we can say for sure that insects, for instance, do not have the same level consciousness as mammals. We could farm and consume crickets and be reasonably sure that the crickets neither perceive their predicament or suffer needlessly from the experience. So if you needed to kill a billion crickets to equate a single whale, which is worse?

Ultimately the distinctions we make are mostly arbitrary but practical. Cats are pets and cows are food. Why? Because someone decided that a long time ago, and it's easier that way. Cats are predators, and hard to grow for food. They kill pests (and songbirds, so keep your cats inside). Cows eat grass, something we can't eat, and turn that into steaks. Both animals are smart, both animals are cute, and both animals may form emotional bonds with humans.