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Innovation makes useful things smaller - overconsumption makes them bigger and more meaningless (norden.social)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] IsThisAnAI 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Ahhh yes, because the 2 series doesn't exist.

[–] tomalley8342 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The 2 series is now ~180 inches long (about the same as the first generation bmw x3) and ~3900 pounds ~~(significantly heavier than the first generation x3)~~ (about the same as the first generation bmw x3).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Now do crash safety results.

[–] SupraMario 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And gas mileage. A lot of the older cars had less power and consumed more fuel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Yep I finally upgraded my 2003 Renault Kangoo for a station wagon that's bigger, carries more, probably heavier (don't actually know) but uses much less fuel. It has a tiny 1L ecoboost engine that still packs a punch when needed and barely uses any more fuel than our much smaller hybrid hatchback with the way I drive it, which admittedly I do drive in a particularly fuel conscious manner.

[–] IsThisAnAI 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The modern unloaded base 2 is 3400lbs and the first Gen X3 started at 4k and you could load it up when features to 5k. This 3 series in its poverty trim weighs 3k (and functionally represents a different class of vehicle today) Nice try playing fast and lose with loaded vs base vehicles. Also let's not pretend the 3 series EVER had a short wheel base. In 1990 it was 175.5 inches. My accord from that era is 179, 1 inch shorter than my 2021 outback.

[–] tomalley8342 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I will admit that I am fully biased against the absurd weight of the new 2 series. I'll update the post to reflect what I found instead - the new 2 series is of comparable curb weight, powertrain to powertrain, to the first generation x3, not significantly heavier:

2L AWD: 3640 vs 3650 3L AWD: 3870 vs 3900

The 5k weight listed for the x3 seems to be the gross weight (i.e. car + max rated cargo capacity), which wouldn't be comparable to the 2 series, having no such rated capacity.

[–] Ibaudia 9 points 6 months ago

I think this is more referring to the trend of larger vehicles becoming more popular and not any specific car model.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or 1 series for that matter

[–] IsThisAnAI 0 points 6 months ago

I would say the 1 is closer in spirit to the old 2 vs the 3. Either way this is a comparison designed to exaggerate the difference.