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Also, western "Sushi" is not the same thing as Japanese Sushi.
What Japanese people would consider "normal" Sushi we call Nigiri. These items will make up the majority of consumed items in Japan, where here we would consume primarily rolls.
They do not have these jam packed inside out rolls we see here, the only rolls you'll get in Japan are maki (one or two ingredient, very thin rolls, with the nori on the outside) and you usually only get 2 or 4 pieces at a time for these.
Dammit, now I want to get back to Japan for some good food again.
USA maybe?
Sushi in France looks like Nagiri (not often having the black belt though :-), inverted makis are called California makis.
IDK just reporting in.
I don't think you're correct, I've eaten sushi in a few European countries and it's all been westernized.
If I type in "Sushi Paris" the top three results all show rolls as the primary item on the plates.
Maybe just the place you go to is more traditional?
More than a little selection bias is in play there. You've found restaurants with advertising budgets, which in many places is not representative of restaurants overall. I'd wager the bias is even stronger in big tourist cities.
I checked other French cities and got the same results. Care to link me to a casual dining sushi restaurant that doesn't serve rolls in France?
No Just saying that you are incorrect is the way to go even here now.
It is well known that Paris is perfectly representative of all of France.
"Lyon sushi" returns the same results, a large numbers of rolls.
So does "Montpellier sushi"
In my European country you'll order sushi as nigiri at any cornershop sushi place.
It's most often sold as a set, where there's typically 4 pieces of some roll with three ingredients and nori on the outside (but variations are not uncommon).
It's quite close to what I've had in Japan. Although fish quality is very different.
If you order nigiri, and get 4 pieces of roll with it, then your still getting something very diferent than you'd see in Japan.
Sushi (nigiri) almost exclusively comes in single or pair units in Japan, and I've never seen them come with rolls (even maki)
I've gotten sets with nigiri and maki in several cities around Japan. I guess my experience and yours differ.
Clearly they differ, I only lived there twice for a little than a year each time though, so maybe you have more time spent there than me.
In my experience, the jam-packed, inside-out, sauce-drenched rolls are characteristic of chain restaurants and shopping districts in the west.
If you're near a big city, chances are there are also small, independent restaurants that make more traditional nigiri, maki, and sashimi. What they serve is what I consider "normal" sushi. It's the only kind I ever seek out.
Normal is not defined as what you seek out, but what's most common in the area.
I can only think of one Nigiri only place, and it's a specialty place in Vancouver in an absolute sea of 600 (this is around the actual number) sushi restaurants across the metro which do serve rolls.
If you go to Osaka, it's the exact opposite, 600 nigiri places to 1 roll place.
I was responding mainly to this:
The implication that "we" don't consider nigiri to be normal sushi doesn't match my experience at all. Among the people I've dined with, normal sushi is nothing like the "jam packed inside out rolls" you described. In other words, I think you're overgeneralizing.
That's one sense of the word, sure. And in the areas where I've had sushi, the more traditional style is more common than the stuff you described. (It might be easy to miss, though, especially if you only notice restaurants with significant advertising budgets.)
I mentioned what I seek out not as a definition of "normal", but to demonstrate a response to what was already considered "normal" before I came along. I have rephrased that comment to try to make this more obvious.
"Among the people I've dined with" This is where you're going wrong. You cannot judge "normal" off your own little circle. You may think the word has other meanings, but they do not apply when talking about what's "normal" in terms of food.
Link me three sushi places in your area that do not serve rolls besides maki and don't cost $100 a head, I'll wait.
It is not wrong. It is a counterexample, much like some of the other replies you are receiving.
I am not going to dox myself to satisfy your quarrelsome self-importance. Good day.
Anecdotal data is not data.
You have nothing.
Pick any "western" city and give me three, I don't give a shit where you live.
I have never been to a place that sold sushi and didn't have the option to order just nigiri. Other than the packed sushi at the supermarket.
I'd agree that most people here think of maki when you say sushi, but nigiri is absolutely not considered "not normal" and california rolls are called california rolls and are rarer than maki.
Which restaurant is that?