933
The Google AI isn’t hallucinating about glue in pizza, it’s just over indexing an 11 year old Reddit post by a dude named fucksmith.
(lemmy.dbzer0.com)
this post was submitted on 23 May 2024
933 points (99.6% liked)
TechTakes
1442 readers
67 users here now
Big brain tech dude got yet another clueless take over at HackerNews etc? Here's the place to vent. Orange site, VC foolishness, all welcome.
This is not debate club. Unless it’s amusing debate.
For actually-good tech, you want our NotAwfulTech community
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I'll get downvoted for this, but: what exactly is your point? The AI didn't reproduce the text verbatim, it reproduced the idea. Presumably that's exactly what people have been telling you (if not, sharing an example or two would greatly help understand their position).
If those "reply guys" argued something else, feel free to disregard. But it looks to me like you're arguing against a straw man right now.
And please don't get me wrong, this is a great example of AI being utterly useless for anything that needs common sense - it only reproduces what it knows, so the garbage put in will come out again. I'm only focusing on the point you're trying to make.
Come on man. This is exactly what we have been saying all the time. These "AIs" are not creating novel text or ideas. They are just regurgitating back the text they get in similar contexts. It's just they don't repeat things vebatim because they use statistics to predict the next word. And guess what, that's plagiarism by any real world standard you pick, no matter what tech scammers keep saying. The fact that laws haven't catched up doesn't change the reality of mass plagiarism we are seeing ...
And people like you keep insisting that "AIs" are stealing ideas, not verbatim copies of the words like that makes it ok. Except LLMs have no concept of ideas, and you people keep repeating that even when shown evidence, like this post, that they don't think. And even if they did, repeat with me, this is still plagiarism even if this was done by a human. Stop excusing the big tech companies man
no, it's not.
Look man. If I go and read the linux kernel code (for example), and then go and program my own closed source kernel (assuming I was good enough for that lol), and then my kernel becomes popular (it's ok to dream right?) then any lawyer worth it's salary will sue me because my beatifull kernel is not a clean room implementation. In practice it's almost impossible to prove, unless I go and tell everyone I was reading the linux kernel hahaha. But for LLMs there is nothing to prove, they did "read" the code (or rarther are indexing the code ...). So yes dude, this would be plagiarism for a human too.
what you're talking about is copyright infringement.
Lol, ok dude. Then they are rampant copyright infringement machines dude ... Nice argument lol
litigate it.
it's fair use
I'm pretty sure you are just trolling. But if you really want to learn about the topic go read what fair use is and isn't, or ask a lawyer. Fair use is much, much limited than you people think it is. Even memes and gameplay videos fall short of fair use most of the time, it's just that everyone looks the other way. This shows that copyright laws are a mess hahaha, but that's another topic.
calling me a troll doesn't change whether what i've said is true. my position has remained consistent the entire time, while you have continually ceded ground.
saying "go read" is not evidence. i know exactly what fair use is, and i'm telling you that LLM's use is fair use.
plagiarism is an academic "crime". you couldn't simply cite your sources and aleviate accusations of copyright infringement, but you could with plagiarism. plagiarism is a total nonissue to me, even in the academy. there are much bigger things to worry about than the citations page.