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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

The standard I'm applying to liberal democracy is the lowest one possible. "Does it actively cause fascism, or support it in its rise?" To which the answer sooner or later becomes "Abso-fucking-lutely."

The Cuban fascist were replaced with a workers' state that survived and to some degree prospered in spite of isolation by the USA and their lackeys. There sure are human rights issues, but besides at least some of them stemming from the definition of human rights as anything diverging from bourgeois parlamentary democracy, that's not enough to completely discredit communism. There are plenty capitalist natuons with abysmal human rights records.

Yes. The USSR sucked ass. In my view, there's a number of reasons they (and China) shouldn't even be considered communist (workers had no real control, and they abandoned internationalism in favor of petty nationalism). But they generally seen as part of the communist lore, so whatever. That doesn't make them fascists.

So you've still not offered a single ideology that has actually managed to hold off totalitarianism in a way liberal democracy has not.

Nice shifting of the goal posts there, buddy. We were talking about fascism, not totalitarianism. The latter is just a label you stick on countries you don't like in order to equate them with fascism.

Vote for the coalition candidate.

What coalition? Many of the Dems (at least from what I notice outside the USA) view anything that's actually more left than a better healthcare system as more evil than what the Republicans are doing. They happily play along when the Republicans bring up the red spectre (there's a certain irony to that) of communism.